Katrina fall-out

"Philip S." wrote in message
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in article , john smith at
wrote on 9/1/05 8:21 PM:

Philip S. wrote:
You might better direct your anger towards a federal government that
had all
the same warnings, all the same information (and probably more), and
yet has
STILL not taken control of the situation, FOUR DAYS after disaster
struck.
Shoot, Jay, when even the collective might of the United States
military and
its assorted agencies are running around with their thumbs up their
asses
several days after the fact, is it really appropriate to express
outrage at
the victims who are suffering most?

Stop blaming the federal government!
That's why this mess is so bad in the first place.
State and local governments have become so dependent upon the federal
programs, they cannot think, let alone act on their on.
The City of New Orleans did nothing until the last minute.
The State of Louisana did nothing until after the fact.
The federal government is trying to play catch up.
The City of New Orleans knew what the consequences were.
The State of Lousiana certainly had some idea of the consequences based
on their oversight authority.
Both these government entities dragged their heels waiting for Uncle Sam
to come to their rescue before the fact. The only thing Uncle Sam knew
was that it was going to be bad.

Terrorist attack or natural disaster, it really makes no difference
--the current administration ran for re-election less than a year
ago on the premise that they could keep us all safe, that they were
better than their opponents on issues of "homeland security", that
when it came to protecting the homeland, only they could do the job.

Well, John, are they doing the job? Are they keeping the homeland
safe? What if New Orleans had been hit by a terrorist attack? What
would your opinion be of the federal response thus far?


Hey. Watch it. Our Fearless Leader cut his vacation short, flew overhead,
and looked out the window. That act of bravery and leadership has inspired
thousands in NO to remain calm, since they now know he is taking charge.

sfb wrote:

Maybe, but the President Bush's good friends on the left will only be
too happy to explain it to them. The Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharptons of
the world would be all over TV screaming about a lily white government
loading black people on box cars to haul them away from the homes to God
knows where.

Jesse was in South America, easing tensions...

("sfb" wrote)
You can't be serious? Using boxcars would be too reminiscent of the
Holocaust.


Is it the Holocaust? No. Then what planet are you on???

Feelings are fine until they get in the way of actually solving a problem.
Jeez!!

Rail lines run out of the city - people need to get out of the city. Hmmm?

Hum some Woody Guthrie tunes while reading this if it will help.
http://www.woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Dust_Bowl_Refugee.htm
http://www.woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Going_Down_The_Road.htm


Montblack
http://www.woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/My_Daddy_Flies.htm

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Pixel Dent" wrote

I don't think anyone outside a
Usenet heel digging contest would seriously propose evacuating 20
million people every time a cat 1 storm wanders into the gulf.

True, but this was Cat 5, and in favorable conditions to build, or stay
the
same. I hope we all have learned something from this. There is no safe
place, on the coast with a Cat 4 or 5.
--
Jim in NC


If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq, the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the point
where most people could go home now. Smaller hurricanes wouldn't require
any evacuation. Supposedly the cost was under $1B.

Mike
MU-2

There are very few routes out of NO that don't start on a (recently
deceased) bridge.

Mike
MU-2
"Montblack" wrote in message
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("Chris" wrote)
And now, for some aviation content: The looters in New Orleans are
SHOOTING at rescue helicopters!

They are just exercising their constitutional right to bear arms;-)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4205074.stm


Hurricane Rodney King ...I shake my head at the area's local, city, state
and federal govt officials more though, WRT those levees ...and about ten
other issues.

It's like the potato famine in Ireland, when do you say 'enough is enough'
and make the decision to leave all that you've ever known? (Now would be a
good time)

Head north, or west, on foot and I'm sure that over a distance of 30-40
miles people will have garden hoses that you can drink from - 15 hour walk
for someone out of shape. Next day walk another 30-40 miles and I bet a
family, or a church, would take you in. I'd take in someone who walked 75
miles over two days!!

Walk another 25 miles the third day - I bet your accommodations would
improve the further away from NO you'd get. By day four you should be able
to catch a ride. To where? I don't know - where do Mexicans go when they
walk across the border? To jobs...

This isn't for everyone, but I would think 10%-20% of the needy
refugees(?) left in the flooded city could make it work for them.

Good luck.


Montblack

("sfb" wrote)
Maybe, but the President Bush's good friends on the left will only be too
happy to explain it to them. The Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharptons of the
world would be all over TV screaming about a lily white government loading
black people on box cars to haul them away from the homes to God knows
where.


Q: ...to God knows where?
A: Dry land and food.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are both ....idiots.

Many lily white folks rode the rails to a better life during the Dust Bowl
days.

(Great film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070030/
Emperor of the North Pole (1973)


Montblack

The Corps of Engineers budget is a long running smoke and mirrors
political game where the administration goes low so the Congresscritters
can get the credit for adding stuff the local folks want. The Corps
doesn't think the improvements would have made a difference as Katrina
drove water over the top of the levees undermining the dry side.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
news:uwQRe.3684

If all the money for the Corps of Engineers wasn't sent to Iraq, the
infrastructure around New Orleans could have been improved to the
point where most people could go home now. Smaller hurricanes
wouldn't require any evacuation. Supposedly the cost was under $1B.

Mike
MU-2

Attitudes do change over time. The Dust Bowl was before the Holocaust.
The Swastika was a Native American symbol until the Nazis.

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("sfb" wrote)
Maybe, but the President Bush's good friends on the left will only be
too happy to explain it to them. The Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharptons
of the world would be all over TV screaming about a lily white
government loading black people on box cars to haul them away from
the homes to God knows where.


Q: ...to God knows where?
A: Dry land and food.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are both ....idiots.

Many lily white folks rode the rails to a better life during the Dust
Bowl days.

(Great film)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070030/
Emperor of the North Pole (1973)


Montblack

Darrel Toepfer wrote in message
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john smith wrote:

What about trains?
Are there rail lines that run into New Orleans?
You can move thousands with boxcars and flatcars and a couple engines.

6 class A rail lines I think the mayor stated...

I don't know exactly where this is, but some of those rail lines have turned
into shipping lines:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/274104

- Rick

Martin Hotze wrote:
This is one point I can't understand .... you (the USA) is able to invade a
country in a matter of 1 or 2 days (I don't want to argue about *that*
right now), bring thousands of soldiers from one side of the planet to the
other one ... but: aren't you able to bring several thousand of soldiers, a
carrier, etc. down to New Orleans? Let your troops do something useful.

the problem you see, is that when you spend the money/time/resources
to do one thing (like, invading a country), you have to take it out
of some place else...

http://salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/.../index_np.html

--Sylvain