Katrina fall-out

Larry Dighera wrote:

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:16:17 -0500, "Rick"
wrote in
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There's not one thing Bush could do that could not be harshly condemned.

I doubt he would have been condemned for taking an interest in the
disaster area a few days earlier.

He signed the Fed side of the papers declaring the area a disaster BEFORe
the hurricane hit. The Stte side of the papers had to be executed, though,
before the Feds could move.

He took an interest.


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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:02:02 GMT, "sfb" wrote in
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He signed the orders declaring the states eligible for Federal disaster
aid the week before Katrina hit the Gulf Coast.

When did he personally inspect the area?

Just exactly what do you think the presidential inspection accomplishes in
REAL terms with regard to helping out and solving problems?

The President (no matter who it is) gets all the reports he/she needs to
determine the severity of the problems.

The presidential fly by is nothing more than an attempt to quiet the morons
who think that UNLESS the presidents fly over the area and sees it for
themselves, they don't care. It's the aerial equivalent of biting one's lip
and announcing that they feel your pain.

It contributes NOTHING to solving the problems. In fact it's a hideous waste
of valuable time.


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Oh, God. I didn't make the "A" list once again.

DAMN.


Jim


You can not believe how much easier it is to read these newsgroups now
that "Jay Honeck", "Bob Noel", "Newps", "Matt Whiting", "john smith",
"Dave Stadt", "Jonathan Goodish", "Cub Driver", "Otis Winslow", "W P
Dixon", "Gig 601XL Builder" and "George Patterson" now reside in my kill
file with the other trolls.

Aren't the civilian and military rules different? Can't the President
can crank up FEMA, but the National Guard is a state thing with Federal
concurrence.

"gregg" wrote in message
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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:16:17 -0500, "Rick"
wrote in
::

There's not one thing Bush could do that could not be harshly
condemned.

I doubt he would have been condemned for taking an interest in the
disaster area a few days earlier.

He signed the Fed side of the papers declaring the area a disaster
BEFORe
the hurricane hit. The Stte side of the papers had to be executed,
though,
before the Feds could move.

He took an interest.


--
Saville

Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html

Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm

Steambending FAQ with photos:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:21:15 -0400, Tom Fleischman
wrote in
2005090410211516807%bodhioneeightyeightjunkatmacd otcom@junkjunk::

I personally cannot abide these assholes anymore.

You can not believe how much easier it is to read these newsgroups now
that "Jay Honeck", "Bob Noel", "Newps", "Matt Whiting", "john smith",
"Dave Stadt", "Jonathan Goodish", "Cub Driver", "Otis Winslow", "W P
Dixon", "Gig 601XL Builder" and "George Patterson" now reside in my
kill file


At least those airmen have the decency and good sense not to profane
their brothers publicly. :-(

Larry Dighera wrote:
When did he personally inspect the area?

gregg wrote:
Just exactly what do you think the presidential inspection accomplishes in
REAL terms with regard to helping out and solving problems?
The President (no matter who it is) gets all the reports he/she needs to
determine the severity of the problems.
The presidential fly by is nothing more than an attempt to quiet the morons
who think that UNLESS the presidents fly over the area and sees it for
themselves, they don't care. It's the aerial equivalent of biting one's lip
and announcing that they feel your pain.
It contributes NOTHING to solving the problems. In fact it's a hideous waste
of valuable time.

This morning on ABC, they played a video made earlier this week of
George Stephanopolas riding in an S-76 flying around the New Orleans
ares with Louisiana Senator Andrews (?).
She was blaming all of New Orleans and Louisiana's ills on the Bush
administration.
She complained about his visit earlier this week and how it was just a
photo op.
She said Bush should come ride with her so she can show him the real
disaster area. (Sounds like someone wants a photo op with the President?
"That's right Mr and Ms Louisiana voter, that was me with the President
during our hour of need!")
Part of the tour included her property an area on a point of land where
she had been staying prior to the hurricane. She kept calling a "camp".
All the "camps" on this point of land were high priced year round homes.
She said some of them were worth over a million dollars. Each had their
own 300 foot sea wall/dock.
Her home was destroyed, as were most of the others that had been built
on slabs. Those homes built on stilts were intact with minimum damage,
as were the boathouses.

In article ,
john smith wrote:
Interesting comments by the talking heads this morning.
Under the Renquist court, states rights were favored.
The question today is, will the new Supreme Court justices return
control to a more federal central system?

Aren't home rule and states rights the reasons for the New Orleans and
Lousiana debacles.

How could the federal government have enforced the madatory evacuation
order when the local and state didn't even bother?


Regardless of any opinions of the role of federal and state governments,
the fact is that the Constitution specifically prohibits federal
meddling in ANYTHING that isn't specifically stated in the Constitution.
It doesn't take much studying to determine that most of what the federal
government does is not constitutional. There is a mechanism to amend
the Constitution to permit additional federal authority, and that is the
mechanism that should be used--and not the courts--if the population
wants to grant the federal government greater authority.

The scary part about disasters like Katrina are the large populations
looking to the government, especially the federal government, to bail
them out. Decades ago, folks turned to their communities and local
governments for help, they toughed it out, and survived. In today's
world, responsible behavior is punished and irresponsible behavior is
rewarded with "free" hand-outs by the federal government.

I don't know much about the politicians in Louisiana, but I am having a
difficult time understanding why tens of thousands of folks would be
offered "refuge" at a location inside a city that is mostly below sea
level and surrounded by major bodies of water. Why weren't folks put on
buses and evacuated outside of the city to higher ground BEFORE the
storm? It seems to me that the governor, mayor, and other state and
local politicians bear the brunt of the blame for the resulting human
debacle in New Orleans.



JKG

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...
Oh, God. I didn't make the "A" list once again.

DAMN.

You can not believe how much easier it is to read these newsgroups now
that "Jay Honeck", "Bob Noel", "Newps", "Matt Whiting", "john smith",
"Dave Stadt", "Jonathan Goodish", "Cub Driver", "Otis Winslow", "W P
Dixon", "Gig 601XL Builder" and "George Patterson" now reside in my kill
file with the other trolls.

I didn't make the list either. I'm probably already in most peoples lists
anyways.

-Greg B.

sfb wrote:

Aren't the civilian and military rules different? Can't the President
can crank up FEMA, but the National Guard is a state thing with Federal
concurrence.


I don't believe so. The Feds can't move into a State and start doing anyting
unless the State asks for it. No matter if it's military or civilian.



--
Saville

Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html

Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm

Steambending FAQ with photos:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm

Matt,

Maybe I just missed it, but I don't recall a single terrorist attack on
US soil since 9/11.


And that's got exactly WHAT to do with the TSA or the Dept. for Homeland
Security? Prove correlation, please - if you can.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)