A320 with gear problem over LA

Awesome job. A soft and smooth as you could hope for.

No argument - I saw it live, and it was perfect. Touched down short,
kept the nose up as long as possible, lowered it gently, tracked
centerline through the whole rollout. But honestly - would you expect
any less? A control problem on rollout might be a challenge to a low
time pilot, but these guys have thousands of hours. They know exactly
what's coming. I would have been surprised had I seen anything less.

A few months ago, I had a guy flying with me - a friend of a friend -
in my Twin Comanche. I won't say it's a difficult airplane, but
everyone else who has ever tried to fly it in IMC (or even under the
hood) had a difficult time with it the first time around. This
includes CFII/MEI's who were instrument and multiengine current
including one who was a Cessna 310 owner. This guy just took the
controls and within seconds he was doing as well as I could - maybe
better - and I have nearly a thousand hours in that one airplane. His
flying was smooth, controlled, precise - and effortless. Just like
what we saw on TV.

He was a captain for a major airline. They can pretty much ALL fly
that way, excepting the ocasional screwup. They've all had thousands
of hours to practice.

Michael

"Michael" wrote

He was a captain for a major airline. They can pretty much ALL fly
that way, excepting the ocasional screwup. They've all had thousands
of hours to practice.

Why, thank you Michael!

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

you are clueless moron. Of course, I already knew that from your many
(far too many) prior posts.

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If you're only going to post here to berate everyone and do it anonymously,
don't post.

Ah, don't worry about guys like him, Greg. I always just assume they
were abused as children...

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"Matt Whiting" wrote in
Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them.

Just the opposite. You don't use the brakes during a soft field landing
unless rare conditions require them. You typically will have all of the
deceleration you need from the drag of the wheels in the soft field.

Your practical experience doing this is? What's the length of the field?
Again, *most* of them are short (2500'). And most turf strips are firm
most of the time.

moo

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
Turf field landings are soft field landings. Don't forget about gopher
holes. You were taught that a turf field landing is not a soft field
landing?

Yes, I was taught to make normal full-stall landings on the grass at the
field where I learned to fly. N38 at that time had both asphalt and grass
and we used the grass most of the time as the airport owner, instructor,
A&P and DE didn't want to wear his tires out any faster than necessary.
If the field was dry and the grass properly mowed, there was absolutely no
reason to use soft-field technique on the grass.

Except for the gopher holes. I believe you. But I suspect that the
majority of instructors would classify a turf landing as a soft field
landing. And how would a flight test examiner look at it?

moo

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
Have you had this reading comprehension problem long? He said soft
field, not short field. And he didn't touch the brakes, he didn't say
the plane wouldn't slow down due to drag from the soft field.


And I didn't say "short field landing". I pointed out that most soft
field landing are made on short fields. (And short field technique isn't
appropriate.) If you interpreted my post some other way, then you have
the comprehension problem.

So rain and snow only fall on short runways? Wow, I never know that
before.

Most soft field landings are made on short fields. Are you disagreeing with
this assertion or just desperate to find some way to argue about it?

moo

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
That doesn't make using the brakes a soft field technique. It is a short
field technique.


Oh please. It's part of almost every landing technique.

The key word is almost and the exception is soft field landings where the
use of the brakes is almost never necessary and almost always harmful.

Except when they're made on the turf strip *you* land on, right? Then
they're short field landings. Do I have this correct? You want to try this
on a flight test?

moo

"Newps" wrote in
Turf field landings are soft field landings.

Only if you've never been there before.

Don't forget about gopher
holes. You were taught that a turf field landing is not a soft field
landing?

It might be. I know of about 50 grass strips here in my local area.
Landed on all of them. Unless they are wet because of a recent rain then
they aren't soft fields. There's no gopher holes. On landing I brake as
necessary for runway length or other operational concern. On takeoff I
will get the nose light, but not off the ground, so the strut doesn't
hammer up and down on the rough ones

So it is a soft field but it isn't. And you lighten the nose on takeoff but
not on landing because something different is happening with the
relationship between the nose wheel and those "rough ones" during the
landing roll. And you are certain that there are no gopher holes because
you've been there before. Do I have this right? You want to use this logic
on a flight test?

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in
:

But I suspect that the majority of instructors would classify
a turf landing as a soft field landing.

Not I, and I have been CFIing since 1970.

Bob Moore
ATP CFI
PanAm (retired)

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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"Happy Dog" wrote in
:

But I suspect that the majority of instructors would classify
a turf landing as a soft field landing.

Not I, and I have been CFIing since 1970.

Interesting.

moo