A320 with gear problem over LA

Happy Dog wrote:

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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"Happy Dog" wrote in
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But I suspect that the majority of instructors would classify
a turf landing as a soft field landing.

Not I, and I have been CFIing since 1970.


Interesting.

Not all that interesting really. This is likely true of 99% of the
flight instructors out there, and has been true of 100% of those I've
flown with. I'd say this is simply expected, which doesn't make it all
that interesting. :-)

Matt

RST Engineering wrote:

I was sort of wondering when Bill Mulcahy would show back up and in what
persona.

Ha, ha, ha... I'd kind of forgotten about that nut case. I guess with
a name like "moo", you can't expect much.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in
"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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"Happy Dog" wrote in
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But I suspect that the majority of instructors would classify
a turf landing as a soft field landing.

Not I, and I have been CFIing since 1970.


Interesting.

Not all that interesting really. This is likely true of 99% of the flight
instructors out there, and has been true of 100% of those I've flown with.
I'd say this is simply expected, which doesn't make it all that
interesting. :-)

Well, it's interesting to me since my training was different. I was taught
to treat turf landings like soft field landings. The reason given was that
it reduces stress on the oleo from bumpy terrain and mostly eliminates the
obvious dangers associated with holes in the ground. I don't recall the
performance landings I had to do on either of my tests (PPL & CPL) but, like
most people, they were done using simulated conditions. (The runway has a
row of trees at the 2000' point. The runway is covered with six inches of
snow. Etc.) It looks like my training differed from yours. I'm going to
ask a couple of respected DFTEs I know what they would like to hear as an
answer. Maybe it's different in Canada.

moo

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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RST Engineering wrote:

I was sort of wondering when Bill Mulcahy would show back up and in what
persona.

Ha, ha, ha... I'd kind of forgotten about that nut case. I guess with a
name like "moo", you can't expect much.

Nor should you. It's Usenet. However, the OP's sock puppet remark suggests
laziness or stupidity WRT sock puppetry.

moo

Except for the gopher holes. I believe you. But I suspect that the
majority of instructors would classify a turf landing as a soft field
landing. And how would a flight test examiner look at it?

Around here, if it hasn't rained in two or more days, the turf is as hard as
any concrete or asphalt strip you'll ever land on.

--
Matt

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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Except for the gopher holes. I believe you. But I suspect that the
majority of instructors would classify a turf landing as a soft field
landing. And how would a flight test examiner look at it?

Around here, if it hasn't rained in two or more days, the turf is as hard
as any concrete or asphalt strip you'll ever land on.

Around here, instructors take students to turf strips to practice soft field
landings. They don't do it where you're from? Maybe a different syllabus.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:

Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them

Well, this has been beaten to death. Dog, if you want to risk busting a
nose gear and pranging the prop you keep doin' it your way. All the
reasons for NOT using brakes on a soft field landing (regardless of
field length) have been laid out and you still say we're all wrong.
Okay then...

Are you this obnoxious in person?

Yes. But you wouldn't see it that way. Welcome to Usenet.

Well at least you're honest. I can appreciate that.

Bob Moore wrote:
He was a captain for a major airline. They can pretty much ALL fly
that way, excepting the ocasional screwup. They've all had thousands
of hours to practice.

Why, thank you Michael!

Don't get too excited, and don't start feeling too special. I know and
flew with a few people who managed to rack up hours in 5 digits without
being airline pilots. The worst of them flew better and was more
impressive overall than the best airline pilot I ever flew with.

It's not that being an airline pilots is something special - it's just
that if you fly that many hours, you're bound to get good just by sheer
repetition - and nothing really substitutes for time in the seat.

Michael

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Happy Dog wrote:

Both are irrelevant. You use brakes during a soft field landing unless
conditions, rare conditions, prohibit them

Well, this has been beaten to death. Dog, if you want to risk busting a
nose gear and pranging the prop you keep doin' it your way. All the
reasons for NOT using brakes on a soft field landing (regardless of
field length) have been laid out and you still say we're all wrong.
Okay then...

It has been tossed around and, clearly, my experience and training differs
from some others and my assertion WRT what constitutes a soft field landing
and technique is being rethought. As I said, my training involved quite a
few turf landings and they were to be treated as soft field landings. Holes
was the claimed issue. In most cases, the turf is firm enough to allow
braking during the bit right after TD since there's still plenty of
elevator authority to keep the nose light. But if this isn't even
considered a soft field, then the point is, well, pointless. As I said, I'm
doing my own research.

Are you this obnoxious in person?

Yes. But you wouldn't see it that way. Welcome to Usenet.

Well at least you're honest. I can appreciate that.

Usenet is a place where the id is forever trying to come out and play. But,
it's also a place where it's difficult to be dishonest if you post from an
ISP and archive your posts. Even people who switch sockpuppets usually get
caught and suffer irreparable damage. And, thus far, there seems to be
little to risk from posting whatever opinion one feels. The medium lends
itself to honesty. And, unfortunately, occasional cowardice.

moo

"Michael" wrote
Don't get too excited, and don't start feeling too special.

I started feeling somewhat special right after my first
carrier landings. :-)

Bob Moore