Why can't the French dump fuel?

"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have
them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

I think you are wrong about that. Sure, they are nasty things, in how they
combine in the upper atmosphere to eat ozone, but VOC's are things that
burn, and were not burned before they were released, right?

It all just has to do with classifications, and I believe Freon is in a
different classification.
--
Jim in NC

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"James Robinson" wrote

Certain types of Freon are. Those types are no longer used in new air
conditioning or refrigeration systems. Older systems will still have
them,
but you can't replace lost fluid if you have a leak.

Where did you hear that? That must have been nonexistium that the AC
technician put in my AC at home this spring. G

The old stuff is still available, but it costs more than the new stuff, and
must be used by licensed tecs, and must be pumped out and recovered when
conditions demand that it be removed from the system. I think I heard that
the old stuff is not being manufactured anymore, but that the existing
stockpiles will last for a few more years, but I'm not at all sure about
that.
--
Jim in NC

"James Robinson" wrote

It may simply be classification, but the EPA considers certain types of
Freon to be VOCs. Here is a link to a couple of web sites that list
VOCs, including various types of Freon as examples:

http://www.skcinc.com/cff/1676.pdf
http://www.airquality.lanl.gov/pdf/N...dVOCTable3.pdf

OK, I learned something new today. Good by me. ;-)

As such, there have been a number of proposals to ban things that
contain such chemicals outright. In fact, commercial production of
chemicals like carbon tetrachloride, trichlorethane, and certain types
of Freon have ceased by international agreement.

Hey -- we used to clean our HO train set railroad tracks with carbon
tetrachloride, when I was a kid.

Sure made the tracks shiny!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Why can't the French dump fuel?

Because they are only allowed to dump carburant.

HTH
Tony
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On 28-Sep-05 15:50, James Robinson wrote:
CV wrote:


James Robinson wrote:


Cub Driver wrote:


ThomasH wrote:


It almost sounds as if you would be believing that Airbus is
French.

It is, for all practical purposes. There would be no Airbus without
France; it's located in Toulouse; and France is the largest
stakeholder.

Not true. The Toulouse plant may be where final assembly is done,
and where the operating headquarters of Airbus is located, but there
are a number of other manufacturing plants, and France is not the
largest stakeholder. The company is 20% owned by British Aerospace,
with the remaining 80% owned by EADS.

According to the following site, the ownership or EADS is:

http://www.reports.eads.net/2004/ar_...c_b3_3_3_0.php

- 30.2% Daimler Chrysler
- 15.1% Government of France
- 15.1% Lagardère (A French corporation)
- 5.5% Government of Spain
- 33.2% Publicly held shares

Therefore, the French government only owns about 12% of airbus, and
is not the largest shareholder.

Why should that interest anyone?

Someone made an incorrect statement, I was simply correcting it.

What those figures do show is that French ownership is in the range
24.16 to 50.72%, depending on what portion of the "Publicly held
shares" are in French hands.

Even at the minimum limit of 24%, French participation is
still bigger than that of any other country, as far as one
can tell from those numbers.

So which country has a larger stake than France according to you ?

No country, but there are larger stakeholders. The poster had suggested
that France, as in the country, was the largest stakeholder (he didn't
say "the French" or "French shareholders") Daimler Chrysler is the
largest stakeholder, and British Aerospace is also larger than the
French Government.

This was my point... Airbus is an international undertaking,
put together from several companies on an initiative of
governments. The largest stake was held for a very long time
by the British Aerospace, followed by the German MBB, which
became later a part of Daimler-Benz (Dornier was also a part
of the conglomerate for a while.)

And since Daimler-Benz and Chrysler became one, they are now
the largest shareholder. And so Airbus is also... American
if you would apply this logic. I wonder what share of
British Aerospace is owned by the British government?

Last but not least: Government, or the ruling family of
Kuwait was the largest shareholder of Daimler-Benz!

Anyway, for historic reasons none of the European countries
was able to compete against US manufacturers on their own.
And so France, England and Germany put their efforts
together to create the Airbus company.

Thus, Airbus is not to be simply called "French" :-)

Thomas

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:14:52 GMT, tony roberts
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Why can't the French dump fuel?

Because they are only allowed to dump carburant.

HTH
Tony

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:45:17 -0700, Gerry
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:14:52 GMT, tony roberts
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Why can't the French dump fuel?

Because they are only allowed to dump carburant.

HTH
Tony

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