Goose at FL 360????

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "BTIZ" said:
etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS approach.
He
left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the B-1.

I wouldn't call that "missing", myself.


he did not hit the windshield or the engine intakes.. so we counted it as a
miss... even though he left some feathers etc behind

BT

They don't actually pay you to fly those incredible planes so they?

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DW

yes... and collecting a pension to boot..

Darrel Toepfer wrote in news:Qmgbf.13252$td.10696
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Skywise wrote:

From the article, "helicopters cannot fly here."

Not anymore!!! Of course, the article was written in 2000 so it
was a valid statement then.

That *record* was reported to be a hoax...

I haven't heard about any other attempts...


Just in case we're not talking about the same thing, I'm referring
to the helicopter that alighted on Mt. Everest that was discussed
in this group some months back.

http://www.mounteverest.net/story/Fr...sUtopiasummit-
VIDEOMay272005.shtml

or http://tinyurl.com/9pf34

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"BTIZ" wrote in news:JPgbf.3249$zu6.1147
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They don't actually pay you to fly those incredible planes so they?

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DW

yes... and collecting a pension to boot..

Two commments....

You lucky *******!!!

and...

Thank you. (to all our servicemen)

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"Darrel Toepfer" wrote

That *record* (landing on Everest) was reported to be a hoax...

I haven't heard about any other attempts...

Only in the way that "landing" was defined. It just briefly "rested" one
skid on the summit, but never really stopped flying.
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Jim in NC

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
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Is the following for real or is there a typo?

Geese in Class A airspace???

Allen
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: UPS28 Make/Model: B757 Description: B-757
Date: 11/03/2005 Time: 2325

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: COLORADO SPRINGS State: CO Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT, UPS28, A B757, ENROUTE FROM SDF TO MHR, STRUCK A GOOSE AT FL360.
ACFT DESCENDED TO FL280, DUE TO THE WINDSHIELD BEING CRACKED AND
CONTINUED
ON TO DESTINATION. PILOT DID NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. OVER COLORADO
SPRINGS, CO

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 4 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:

WEATHER: NOT REPORTED

OTHER DATA
Activity: Business Phase: Cruise Operation: Air Carrier


No doubt geese ( and some other birds) can fly this high. I read somewhere
the record was 37,900 ft . But my question is why did the aircraft only
descend to FL280? With a cracked windscreen and the risk of
depressurisation wouldnt it have been more prudent to descend to 10,000 ft
and avoid scaring the pax with the oxygen masks dropping out of the roof?.
terry

"Morgans" wrote in news:nZgbf.9820$7s1.8171
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"Darrel Toepfer" wrote

That *record* (landing on Everest) was reported to be a hoax...

I haven't heard about any other attempts...

Only in the way that "landing" was defined. It just briefly "rested" one
skid on the summit, but never really stopped flying.

Well, let's be realistic. The summit isn't exactly in the
right shape to land a chopper on both skids and neutralize
the collective. Unless somebody builds a landing platform
or levels the top of the mountain, a 'real' landing isn't
possible. Somehow I expect even proposing such would meet
quite vocal resistance. The chopper may have been hovering
at zero AGL, but it was stable and people probably could
have gotten on or off the aircraft. For all intents and
purposes, it's a record, at least in my opinion.

Also, in the context of the discussion, the point is that a
helicopter has been demostrated as being able to fly at the
altitudes in question.

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Wasn't a miss for the owl . . .


"BTIZ" wrote in message
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There was an article in outdoor magazine last summer about how high birds
fly and it mentioned their O2 ability to "recirculation" to get max 02 and
that migrating birds do change altitude based on headwind/tailwind

I once dodged, not that I moved much other than flinching, a soaring
raptor at FL210 in SW Wyoming. I was in a B-52 and the co-pilot and I both
saw it.

In response to another posting in "how do they know what it was?", yes,
they do take DNA samples from evidence left behind, along with tell tale
feathers etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS
approach. He left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the
B-1.

BT

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 07:09:56 -0500, Peter R. wrote:

The whole time of useful consciousness apparently is not an issue with a
goose? I wonder what gives a goose's lungs the ability to extract o2 at
that altitude?

In addition to what Peter wrote above, I wonder what gives the goose the
ability to even survive the extreme cold temperatures. O2 was my first
thought and temp came secondary.

Or the ability to maintain lift at that altitude since the air would be
quite thin?

I know goose down clothing are warm, but are Geese that tough?

Allen

They don't actually pay you to fly those incredible planes so they?

-----------------------
DW

yes... and collecting a pension to boot..

Two commments....

You lucky *******!!!

and...

Thank you. (to all our servicemen)

Brian
--

thank you...
and
you're welcome
BT

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:

Birds have a neat thing going on with their lungs. While we take in
fresh
air, the oxy gets taken up while the co2 gets taken out of the blood,
then
we exhale. Not much exchanging goes on as we exhale. Birds don't waste
that
portion of time we spend exhaling, but instead have more air being pumped
across the membranes from reserve sacs. It is almost a circular motion
type
of breathing, with the possibility of almost double exchange compared to
us.
I'm quite sure I don't explain it well, as it is tough to comprehend.

I think you did very well. Sounds almost as good as if they had two
separate lung systems. Sounds to me sort of like a bagpipe; the lungs keep
the sacs full, and they get a constant flow of oxygen from the sacs.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your
neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Birds also have a more efficient type of hemoglobin.

Mike
MU-2