Private Planes: Freedom, Security, and Responsibility

§ 25.365 Pressurized compartment loads.
Look it up yourself, FAR 25 under pressure, the formula
given is based on cabin cross section, with 20 sq. ft as a
maximum required. A sq. ft = 144 sq.in. a .45 caliber
bullet is 0.1592611875 sq.in or 18083 bullet holes for 20
sq. ft.

A 45 ACP bullet is 230 grains and a loaded cartridge weight
is about 400 grains. An ounce is 437.5 grains and
therefore, about 16 bullets to a pound. 18,000 ounces of
cartridges is 1130 pounds and a half ton is only 1,000
pounds. If you only consider the bullets, it would be a
little less than a half ton, but bullets without cases,
powder, etc are just lumps.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P




"Jack" wrote in message
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| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| FAR 25 requires that the pressurized aircraft be able to
| withstand explosions, engine disintegration and maintain
a
| livable cabin with a 20 sq. ft. hole. That size hole
would
| require about 1/2 a ton of bullets.
|
| Cite?
|
| A hole the size of a twin bed is pretty BIG!
|
|
| Jack

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Except for the "737 jumbojet" the rest of the article is well written.

Umm....that was a remark from the omniscient MSM he was "quoting".

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Do you have a cite for that?

It's mentioned frequently in older books on aviation. Check out "Fate is the
Hunter" or Ernie Gann's autobiography for starters. Gann retired from commercial
aviation in the late 50s, and pilots were still required to carry pistols in
their flight bags.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

On 2005-12-14, wrote:
Would one expect GA schools to act responsibly and admit their failure to
provide adequate security previous to 9/11?

Come on, Sky-buffoon... Who could have ever imagined airliners being
used in such an insidious and evil way before 9/11?

Not wanting to give Skylune further ammunition (really, it's irrelevant
where the terrorists trained - it included *airline* training in airline
sims, too) - actually, there have been attempts to use airliners in this
way in the past. The most notable attempt was a FedEx DC-10 in 1994,
where a disgruntled worker who was going to be fired attempted to kill
all three crew members and crash the plane into FedEx headquarters.

--
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On 2005-12-14, Skylune wrote:
I also "suspect" this could have been done with MS Flight Sim. But, that
is not what really happened. Fact: The terrorists trained at GA schools.

A fact, but it's totally irrelevant. Given most of the terrorists didn't
have any kind of criminal record and at the time were in the United
States perfectly legally, there is no way you could have denied them
training unless you imposed a rule 'brown skinned people and foreigners
are not to be trained'. Even with today's TSA rules, these people would
have been approved for training.

--
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On 2005-12-14, Skylune wrote:
Jim: The requirements for non citizens are new (post 9/11/01), aren't
they? They seem pretty reasonable to me.

Except they would have been pointless then - even if those regulations
existed then, the terrorists would have all been approved.

--
Dylan Smith, Port St Mary, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de
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by Dylan Smith Dec 15, 2005 at 02:30 PM


On 2005-12-14, Skylune wrote:
Jim: The requirements for non citizens are new (post 9/11/01), aren't
they? They seem pretty reasonable to me.

Except they would have been pointless then - even if those regulations
existed then, the terrorists would have all been approved.

Why? Jim M stated that flight schools are now required to verify US
citizenship, and not train non-citizens until they are approved by TSA.
If this is true, why would the terrorists have been approved?

The most notable attempt was a FedEx DC-10 in 1994,
where a disgruntled worker who was going to be fired attempted to kill
all three crew members and crash the plane into FedEx headquarters

IIRC that was motivated not by any overt act of terrorism but by the
wacko's plan that his kids would collect on his life insurance policy
if he died in a company acft. Of course, this wouldn't matter to the
people on the ground where the plane came down..

Peter Clark wrote:

"Debt of Honor" (paperback was published June 1994, I can't seem to
find the publish date for the hardcover offhand, but was likely late
93/early 94).

Amazon is reporting the hard-cover publishing date as August 17, 1994.


--
Peter

"Skylune" wrote in message
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by Dylan Smith Dec 15, 2005 at 02:30 PM


On 2005-12-14, Skylune wrote:
Jim: The requirements for non citizens are new (post 9/11/01), aren't
they? They seem pretty reasonable to me.

Except they would have been pointless then - even if those regulations
existed then, the terrorists would have all been approved.

Why? Jim M stated that flight schools are now required to verify US
citizenship, and not train non-citizens until they are approved by TSA.
If this is true, why would the terrorists have been approved?


I think the more important question is, why would they have not been
approved?