An uncomfy Q for the aviators here

I recall a situation in which a very chatty captain made it difficult
for the FO to write down his taxi clearance. The FO got on the radio
and asked ATC to repeat the instruction because the captain had
"dropped his pencil".

-Robert

Most of the US airlines are now emphasizing CRM - Crew Resource Management
in which any crew member has an obligation to point out discrepancies,
etc.

Or am I daydreaming...?

"Ramapriya" wrote in message
You're the First Officer. You notice the Cap'n deviating on something
from the airline's SOP, and it's more important than something like the
taxi speed limit. What do you do?

d) Tell the Cap'n immediately and emphatically... not recommended, I'd
imagine, considering you'd probably have to work together often after
that too

Presume that there isn't a procedure in the SOP on how to handle
deviations of the Cap'n (kidding)

The First Officer is duty bound to loudly and emphatically attempt to
correct any unsafe condition that might affect the passengers' safety. If
the situation is an SOP thing without affecting safety, be diplomatic. If it
affects safety, you are obligated to do something. Just be sure you have the
experience to know the difference when you get called to do the carpet dance
in the chief pilot's office. If you are right, you move up one seniority
number.

I was the worst first officer in the company because I wasn't afraid to tell
a captain to shove something up his bum. I got away with it because I have
the experience to know when to speak up.

D. (expert carpet dancer)

Capt.Doug wrote:

I got away with it because I have
the experience to know when to speak up.

Does "speaking up" include turning to the captain and stating "I don't want
to die"? That's what I was thinking about saying when I was right seat
with a (now-ex) friend that was doing something of questionable wisdom.

- Andrew

This works: "Hey, captain, are you testing me? I see you're . . . ."

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
Does "speaking up" include turning to the captain and stating "I don't
want
to die"? That's what I was thinking about saying when I was right seat
with a (now-ex) friend that was doing something of questionable wisdom.

That should work if expressed with the proper mannerisms.

At airlines with a pilot union, there is an alternative for the meek. One
can go to the professional standards commitee with one's concerns. The
commitee will handle it anonymously on both sides.

D.

"V1, ROTATE"

Capt.Doug wrote:

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
Does "speaking up" include turning to the captain and stating "I don't

want

to die"? That's what I was thinking about saying when I was right seat
with a (now-ex) friend that was doing something of questionable wisdom.


That should work if expressed with the proper mannerisms.

At airlines with a pilot union, there is an alternative for the meek. One
can go to the professional standards commitee with one's concerns. The
commitee will handle it anonymously on both sides.

Doesn't sound very helpful for something that is happening and real time
and might kill you.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

At airlines with a pilot union, there is an alternative for the meek. One
can go to the professional standards commitee with one's concerns. The
commitee will handle it anonymously on both sides.

Doesn't sound very helpful for something that is happening and real time
and might kill you.

How about "Say, Captain, do you think we could have a professional standards
committee meeting for a moment?"

Hmm. "I don't want to die" is shorter.

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
How about "Say, Captain, do you think we could have a professional
standards
committee meeting for a moment?"

Again, that might work, with the proper mannerisms.

Then again, 2 people on the controls at the same time may exacerbate the
problem.

D.