We're getting old, folks...

wrote:
Jay Honeck wrote:

First, my wife does not like flying.


If I had a nickel for every time I've heard this from a pilot, I'd be rich.


What *is* it with you guys, all hanging around with gals who don't like to
fly?


(This started out being a joke-question, but upon reflection, I think I'll
leave off the "smiley"... It's a damned serious question, really, and gets
to the root of why so many guys ultimately quit flying...)


People always ask Rod Machado what he did to get his wife to fly.
He pushes off the question as long as he can. Finally, he replies:
"You know, I had that problem with my first wife".

I heard that from Bax long before Rod. I wonder who originated it?

Matt

RST Engineering wrote:

Ya know, I never thought of it that way, but I wasted my first semester
college in engineering classes. Thought I'd never been as bored in my life,
breaking this, bending that, getting out the 'red rubber ball' data book to
solve problems...

Spent the next 4 years in modern/nuclear physics and never looked back.
Wrenching my way through college with the airlines gave me the "mechanic"
side of it, and it has been a ball from then on.

Thanks for your insight...

Jim



"Roger" wrote in message

Besides, engineers are the educated mechanics who put together the
items developed by the scientists. :-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com




Yes, it is pretty funny that he things a scientist could actually
develop anything. :-)

Matt

Jack wrote:

Tom Conner wrote:

Personally, I think the mindset required to master the technical details
associated with learning to fly is similar to the mindset needed to
get an
engineering degree.


I hope not.

Not being an engineer, my perception of what it would involve might turn
me to the law instead. The flying mindset could be related to both, I
suppose, but I am thankful I never had to find out first-hand.

Well, I am an engineer and I don't think it has much to do with learning
to fly. To me learning to fly was more like what I've heard is more
typical with medicine or law - lots of memorization, but little
analytical thinking.

I enjoyed engineering, in particulary math, physics and engineering
mechanics as I only had to memorize a few basic laws and principles and
could derive the rest as needed. When I took chemistry and biology, it
was almost entirely memorization. I found that boring.

Flying was also (other than the manual skills part obviously) all about
memorizing FARS, AIM procedures, etc., and little analytical stuff. The
instrument rating required visualization for situational awareness that
was interesting to me as that was about the closed to engineering that
I've seen during my flying career, but even then much of the instrument
rating was memorizing more FARs, chart symbols, procedures for lost
comm, etc.

I'm curious, what is your perception of what engineering involves?


Matt

Then again, in our day a PhD in Engineering allowed you to get dirty from
your toes to your nose. You can tell a PhD in Engineering today from the
soldering iron burns on his hands -- they don't know which end gets hot.

{;-)


Jim



"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Yes, it is pretty funny that he things a scientist could actually develop
anything. :-)

Matt

wrote:

scuba dive. But, she doesn't like fishing... go figure. :-)

Yeah but have you taken her spearfishing?

scuba dive. But, she doesn't like fishing... go figure. :-)

Yeah but have you taken her spearfishing?

Hey, there is an idea.

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"Roger" wrote in message

Besides, engineers are the educated mechanics who put together the
items developed by the scientists. :-))

"RST Engineering" wrote:

Ya know, I never thought of it that way, but snipped.

Thanks for your insight...

Jim


Really cornball old story (almost embarrassed to drag it out of the
memory bank):

God creates world, takes four people up on mountain top to show
them what She's created & says, "OK, what do you think of it?"

First person: "Wow, what a piece of real estate!"

God: "OK, you shall be the Businessman, eternally
buying and selling and pricing things"

Second person: "It's beautiful!"

God: "OK, you shall be the Artist, eternally seeking to
create and appreciate beauty"

Third person (after long pause): "How does it work . . . ?"

God: "OK, you shall be the Scientist, eternally trying to
answer that question."

Fourth person (after taking an even longer look at what
God has done): "I'd like to do that too . . ."

God: "Ah, you shall follow the highest calling of all: The Engineer.
Using all the knowledge of the Scientist; all the economic understanding
of the Businessman; all the appreciation of elegance and beauty of the
Artist -- your mission is to carry on the work of Creation."

AES wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message

Besides, engineers are the educated mechanics who put together the
items developed by the scientists. :-))


"RST Engineering" wrote:


Ya know, I never thought of it that way, but snipped.

Thanks for your insight...

Jim



Really cornball old story (almost embarrassed to drag it out of the
memory bank):

God creates world, takes four people up on mountain top to show
them what She's created & says, "OK, what do you think of it?"

First person: "Wow, what a piece of real estate!"

God: "OK, you shall be the Businessman, eternally
buying and selling and pricing things"

Second person: "It's beautiful!"

God: "OK, you shall be the Artist, eternally seeking to
create and appreciate beauty"

Third person (after long pause): "How does it work . . . ?"

God: "OK, you shall be the Scientist, eternally trying to
answer that question."

Fourth person (after taking an even longer look at what
God has done): "I'd like to do that too . . ."

God: "Ah, you shall follow the highest calling of all: The Engineer.
Using all the knowledge of the Scientist; all the economic understanding
of the Businessman; all the appreciation of elegance and beauty of the
Artist -- your mission is to carry on the work of Creation."

I thought I had seen them all, but I haven't seen that one before.
Excellent! Except for that She part... :-)

Matt

("AES" wrote)
[snip]
God creates world, takes four people up on mountain top to show them what
She's created & says, "OK, what do you think of it?"

[snip]
Fourth person (after taking an even longer look at what God has done):
"I'd like to do that too . . ."

God: "Ah, you shall follow the highest calling of all: The Engineer.
Using all the knowledge of the Scientist; all the economic understanding
of the Businessman; all the appreciation of elegance and beauty of the
Artist -- your mission is to carry on the work of Creation."


?SongID=2980
Words and music by Peggy Seeger - 1970
[various verses snipped...catchy tune]

I'M GONNA BE AN ENGINEER

When I was a little girl I wished I was a boy
I tagged along behind the gang and wore my corduroys.
Everybody said I only did it to annoy
But I was gonna be an engineer

Mamma said, "Why can't you be a lady?
Your duty is to make me the mother of a pearl
Wait until you're older, dear
And maybe you'll be glad that you're a girl.

Then Jimmy came along and we set up a conjugation
We were busy every night with loving recreation
I spent my days at work so he could get an education
And now he's an engineer!

Every time I turn around there's something else to do
Cook a meal or mend a sock or sweep a floor or two
Listening to Jimmy Young - it makes me want to spew
I was gonna be an engineer.

Well, I listened to my mother and I joined a typing pool
Listened to my lover and I put him through his school
If I listen to the boss, I'm just a bloody fool
And an underpaid engineer

I been a sucker ever since I was a baby
As a daughter, as a mother, as a lover, as a dear
But I'll fight them as a woman, not a lady
I'll fight them as an engineer!


Montblack made out of ticky-tacky

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:02:23 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Roger wrote:
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:31:26 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:


Jim Logajan wrote:


"Tom Conner" wrote:


This is like trying to get women to take engineering in college.
Although they have the intelligence, for whatever reason, women would
rather get a business degree than an engineering degree.

[ Nonsense elided. ]

The proportion of women in the sciences has increased over the years and as
of 2001 roughly 30% to 40% of graduate students in the sciences are women,
with 54% of graduate students in biological sciences being women.[1]

In 2001, it appears roughly as many women as men were awarded science and
engineering bachelor's degrees - and there were more women than men earning
bachelor's degrees of all types.[2]

[1] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figd-1.htm
[2] http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpd/figc-1.htm

He said engineering, not science. If you look at the engineering
numbers, women earn fewer than 1/4 of the degrees issued each year. It
is improving to be sure, but not even close to parity.


Why just engineering? Science and Engineering are both technical
degrees.

Beats me, you'll have to ask Tom. Engineering requires both strong
science and strong visualization skills, especially in 3-D. For reasons
I don't claim to understand, this seems to not appeal to women as much
as men.

That's probably because they don't spend so much time in front of a
Playboy magazine using their imaginations?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Matt