Angry

People have been rigging lever machines since Moses was a pup.

Yes, they have. I'm not suggesting that fraud is a new thing, nor that
any political party is immune. There are no clean hands in politics.

What I =am= suggesting, is that secret software running on voting
machines makes it trivial for wholesale undetectable vote rigging.

Jose
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You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

lynn wrote:
I could have sworn this was a recreational pilot Group? How about
canning the potitics? It's about FLYING!

You`re right.

If the most powerful man in all of human history can`t get a blow job
in the privacy of his workplace witout having his own citizens making a
big fuss about it, I just don`t get it. Impotent american caesar you
want? Instead, many americans thought it OK to vote back into power a
guy who at worse mislead the country into another "Vietnam war" and at
best grossly mishandled the post-war reconciliation, but their
sensitivities are blemished because he intercepted communication to
improve his intelligence gathering capabilities? You want a saint in
office to follow all laws when their are thousands of organized suicide
killers out there without any moral restrictions withholding them, all
planning to destroy you? If you are going to give the guy the benefit
of the doubt on starting the war, don`t you think you should give him
the benefit of the doubt to spy on your less desirables??

Tien

Tien,

A little lesson in Americanism.

The White House is NOT his private workplace. The White House belongs
to the People.

OBTW Iraq is NOT another Vietnam. Repeating a DNC mantra does not make
it true.

lynn wrote:
Tien,

A little lesson in Americanism.

The White House is NOT his private workplace. The White House belongs
to the People.

OBTW Iraq is NOT another Vietnam. Repeating a DNC mantra does not make
it true.

And there is also the minor detail that the crime was not the BJ, but
swearing in a court of law that it did not happen.

John wrote:

And there is also the minor detail that the crime was not the BJ, but swearing in a court of law that it did not happen.

I agree that what he did was wrong, but spending over 40+ million
dollars trying to impeach him was wrong too. ...and if I had to
'over-look' the wrong doings of our past and present presidents, I'd
sooner 'over-look' Slick's short comings. :^)

BTW, what/where did the name Theune come from? Just curious.

The Monk

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

That wasn't illegal. Stupid, but no illegal.


How did the criteria jump from "I do solemnly swear that I will...preserve,
protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States" to "illegal"?

Matt wrote:
He absolutely has. Name one example where he hasn't?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_7779.shtml

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office
to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the
controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period
immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger
that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined
forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr
to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous
provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at
the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel
Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the
Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case
that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's
just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they
all confirm that the President of the United States called the
Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States
is little more than toilet paper stained from all the **** that this
group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that "goddamned
piece of paper" used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel,
wrote that the "Constitution is an outdated document."

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It
doesn't matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It
doesn't matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our
differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the
defining document of our government, the final source to determine - in
the end - if something is legal or right.

Every federal official - including the President - who takes an oath of
office swears to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United
States."

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls
the Constitution a "living document."

""Oh, how I hate the phrase we have-a 'living document,'" Scalia says.
"We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The
Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake."

As a judge, Scalia says, "I don't have to prove that the Constitution
is perfect; I just have to prove that it's better than anything else."

President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over
the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define
marriage as a "union between a man and woman." Members of Congress
have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from
repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.

Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a
loss of rights. "We can take away rights just as we can grant new
ones," Scalia warns. "Don't think that it's a one-way street."

And don't buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a
necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes
on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told
President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the
United States.

But why should Bush care? After all, the Constitution is just "a
goddamned piece of paper."

"sfb" wrote in message news:dHxsf.27020$x%2.1088@trnddc06...

Ill advised: maybe. Illegal: no.

The Constitution gives the power to sign legislation passed by Congress
(Article I) to the President (Article II). The courts (Article III)
determine the constitutionally of the law.


What branch does the Constitution give the power to pass laws abridging the
freedom of speech to?

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
oups.com...

I agree that what he did was wrong, but spending over 40+ million
dollars trying to impeach him was wrong too. ...


How so?

"Flyingmonk" wrote in message
oups.com...

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_7779.shtml

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office
to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the
controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period
immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger
that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined
forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr
to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous
provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at
the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel
Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

"I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the
Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case
that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's
just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they
all confirm that the President of the United States called the
Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States
is little more than toilet paper stained from all the **** that this
group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that "goddamned
piece of paper" used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel,
wrote that the "Constitution is an outdated document."

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It
doesn't matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It
doesn't matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our
differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the
defining document of our government, the final source to determine - in
the end - if something is legal or right.

Every federal official - including the President - who takes an oath of
office swears to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United
States."

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls
the Constitution a "living document."

""Oh, how I hate the phrase we have-a 'living document,'" Scalia says.
"We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The
Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake."

As a judge, Scalia says, "I don't have to prove that the Constitution
is perfect; I just have to prove that it's better than anything else."

President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over
the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define
marriage as a "union between a man and woman." Members of Congress
have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from
repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.

Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a
loss of rights. "We can take away rights just as we can grant new
ones," Scalia warns. "Don't think that it's a one-way street."

And don't buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a
necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes
on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told
President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the
United States.

But why should Bush care? After all, the Constitution is just "a
goddamned piece of paper."


At last, something Bush and the Democrats can agree on!