Angry

"Sylvain" wrote in message
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yes. but there is no point in explaining it if
you do not want to understand it.


I'll take that to mean you're not capable of explaining it.

"lynn" wrote in message
oups.com...
John,

You really should use an alias. It took less than 10 seconds to narrow
your address down to three possibilites in WI & one in MD.

Why? He has balls enough to use his real name and stand behind what he says
on the net... More people should be that way... Hell, I used to use my name
until I found a couple other people on the net with the same name -- rock
singer, college professor, British rugby player... So, I decided to use my
aircraft and full tail number as my moniker... Easy enough to look up on the
FAA database... And if the wrong person decides to look me up? Well, gators
gotta eat too, ya' know...

http://www.geocities.com/grumman581/...ta-eat-too.htm

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:43:31 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
I didn't think an airman was capable of such inane rudeness.

Damn Larry, ya' must have never met a naval aviator...

--
"A bitchin' sailor is a happy sailor"
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"sfb" wrote in message news:Qcntf.163$7x.160@trnddc03...
Receipts will be a sea change for vote selling. It doesn't happen much now
because it is all risk no reward to the buyer who has no way of knowing
how the seller actually voted.

Um...then the people buying votes are idiots, I guess.

As I already pointed out, absentee ballots are a perfect way to buy votes.
You don't even leave the voting up to the seller. You just get their vote
by proxy, through their absentee ballot.

A receipt removes all risk guaranteeing the buyer gets what they paid for.

Only for the seller too dumb to use absentee ballots.

Without receipts, the buyer has to seek out voters in advance. With
receipts, the buyer just stands outside the polling place and buys a sure
thing after the vote is cast.

Um, again...idiots? Anyone who stands outside a polling place and offers
money to anyone who just happened to vote the way they wanted, that's an
idiot right there.

"Sea change"? I don't think so.

Pete

Jose wrote:
And if Clinton's amoral behavior was conducted during business hours,
you have a valid point.


What are the president's business hours? (pre-W)

24/7.


Matt

What are the president's business hours? (pre-W)

24/7.

So, he's asleep during business hours too.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:

What are the president's business hours? (pre-W)


24/7.


So, he's asleep during business hours too.

Probably, a President is always on call and on duty.

Matt

Presidents of the United States have been on duty 24/7/365
since Korea. It doesn't matter if the news media says the
President is vacationing at Camp David, chopping wood in
California, burying the wood in Arkansas, or building fences
in Crawford, the President always has a full staff present,
communications and can do everything except go to the
shelter under the Whitehouse from anywhere in the world.

Being as old as Clinton, I always thought his sex life
sounded pretty good, except for the cigars. Hope the girls
don't get any cancers, sounds worse than oral cancer.

AS an old married man, I like the idea that 50% of the
country and more than 50% of the women [if the polls are
correct] approved of old men and young women. It means I
have a chance.

My problem with Clinton began while he was still Governor of
Arkansas.


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The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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| Jose wrote:
| And if Clinton's amoral behavior was conducted during
business hours,
| you have a valid point.
|
|
| What are the president's business hours? (pre-W)
|
| 24/7.
|
|
| Matt

They wake Presidents up, a vacation means you go to sleep or
for a walk and you are alone. The President is never alone,
truly alone. When I wanted my "day off" and the boss called
to get me to come in to fly something I usually went in, but
sometimes I would pop a cap on a Pepsi and say, "Give me
another beer." Presidents can't do that.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"Jose" wrote in message
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| What are the president's business hours? (pre-W)
|
| 24/7.
|
| So, he's asleep during business hours too.
|
| Jose
| --
| You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose
whom to love.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Recently, Larry Dighera posted:

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:35:36 GMT, "Neil Gould"
wrote in
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What method would you employ to assure that the receipts are not
forgeries?

The same method that assures that paper ballots aren't forgeries. If
you go back a few messages, I suggested that *two* receipts would be
printed & verified by the voter; one would be given to the polling
official, just as paper ballots are handled now. Then, at least one
machine selected at random from each precinct would have its
electronic tally audited against the receipt. In the case of a
discrepancy, a 100% audit would be performed at that precinct.


That's a reasoned solution. Why do you feel it necessary to *add* a
receipt to be given to the voter? What would be the advantage of
electronic voting over the current *one* ballot system?

After thinking about it, there probably is no advantage to two printed
receipts. I know I wouldn't care to have one.

Personally, I think it's going to be nearly impossible to insure an
accurate electronic vote tally much as it was in the
paper-vote/voting-machine era. But here's an idea:

All voting methods have "issues", but I was only trying to suggest a
solution to a system that introduces a lot of new issues, and could be
very easily "rigged". The fact is, I'm not being paid to figure this out,
but many people are. What are *their* solutions to this problem?

Provide a real-time running total of each ballot choice on the
voter's display screen, so that s/he can confirm their vote
incremented accurately. The real-time vote tally could be
continuously monitored by representatives of each party/candidate?
If a dispute should arise, the sealed camera that monitored the
running tally could be consulted. Under no circumstances should
anyone other than the voter be able to modify the running tally;
their must be no way for administrator intervention to modify the
running tally.

I don't see much value in knowing how my vote tallied with previous votes,
and as others pointed out, that tally is likely to be changing so rapidly
it would be unreadable anyway.

Everything occurs in real-time. The voter confirms his own vote.
There is no necessity to print anything.

The idea of the printed receipt is to verify the accuracy of the machine.
If all you have is an on-screen display, there is no way to insure that
the data passed to the board of elections is a valid representation of the
actual votes, which I find to be an intolerable scenario. Why others
aren't bothered by it does puzzle me.

Neil