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("George Patterson" wrote)
You're one of very few, then. The diesels cost significantly more money to
buy and the fuel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline.


100LL is more $$ than Jet-A by an amount that is not insignificant. 50%?
Couple that with performance (fuel burn) numbers and the choice is obvious -
a double savings.

Also, Jet-A will continue to be available. Will 100LL? Sure, for a price -
small market, and shrinking!

Diesels are the future (more shrinking 100LL market). Start building them
and the prices *should* fall.


Montblacksootyexhaust
1984 Diesel Rabbit - 52 mpg, day in day out.

Montblack wrote:
Montblacksootyexhaust
1984 Diesel Rabbit - 52 mpg, day in day out.

Perfect candidate for greasel :^)

The Monk

You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas, not
to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new light
sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.

Your statement that "Diesels are the future" is just as true today as it was
in 1983, when I was given a diesel-powered company car. Diesel was "the
future" then, just as it is today, and just as it probably will still be 20
years from now.




"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("George Patterson" wrote)
You're one of very few, then. The diesels cost significantly more money
to
buy and the fuel isn't that much cheaper than gasoline.


100LL is more $$ than Jet-A by an amount that is not insignificant. 50%?
Couple that with performance (fuel burn) numbers and the choice is
obvious -
a double savings.

Also, Jet-A will continue to be available. Will 100LL? Sure, for a price -
small market, and shrinking!

Diesels are the future (more shrinking 100LL market). Start building them
and the prices *should* fall.


Montblacksootyexhaust
1984 Diesel Rabbit - 52 mpg, day in day out.

Martin Hotze wrote:

and there are many areas in the world with significant price differences
between A1 and 100LL.

That's why the diesels are so popular in Europe. But we were discussing the fact
that they aren't available in the U.S., where there isn't a significant difference.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.


Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the GA
fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?


http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/544-full.html#191294
Welcome To The New Year ... And New Aircraft
A New Light Twin In The Works In Italy

"Tecnam (plane link below), an aviation company based in Italy, has
announced that it will build a new -- high wing -- light twin called the
P2006T, which will be fully FAR 33 certificated and sell for under $300,000.
First flight is scheduled for September 2006, with first customer deliveries
expected in 2007. The new P2006T will feature retractable gear and hydraulic
constant-speed props with feathering. Predicted performance figures for the
P2006T include a cruise of 147 knots, 53-knot stall, a rate of climb of
1,400 ft/min (350 ft/min on one engine), an empty weight of about 1,400
pounds, and a useful load of about 1,000 pounds. "We expect it to debut in
the U.S. at Sun 'n Fun in 2007," Lynne Birmingham, the acting U.S. agent for
Tecnam Italy, told AVweb on Saturday. "We're actively pursuing the training
market."

The four-seat twin will have an optional glass panel and two Rotax 912
engines with 100 hp each. It was designed by Luigi Pascale, who also
designed the sleek Partenavia twin, Birmingham said. Tecnam said it decided
in favor of the Rotax engines for reasons of weight saving and cost -- not
only purchase price, but also for low-cost maintenance and operation."

http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/Tecnam_P2006T.htm
Twin Rotax 912's


Montblack
DA42 Twin Star sounds like a better all around deal. We'll see.

Montblack wrote:

100LL is more $$ than Jet-A by an amount that is not insignificant. 50%?

Not around here. AirNav shows a current price of $4.10 for gas versus $4.02 for
jet-A at Somerset. The greatest difference I see in the area is about 12% at
Solberg, and those prices are several months old. Jet-A is also unavailable at
about half the airports in this area. Several of these airports would like to
offer it but can't get permits to sell it.

Also, Jet-A will continue to be available. Will 100LL? Sure, for a price
- small market, and shrinking!

Most people firmly believe that there will be a replacement for 100LL in the
near future. This belief is reassured by researchers and representatives of the
fuel manufacturers who present seminars on the subject at places like Oshkosh.
You can believe otherwise if you like, but few people will spend lots of money
gambling that they won't be able to get gasoline for their plane.

Diesels are the future (more shrinking 100LL market). Start building
them and the prices *should* fall.

Not enough. Diesels are more expensive to build than the equivalent gas engine
and will remain so simply because of the higher compression ratio.

I agree that diesels are the future, but the demand for them isn't there in the
States. That is also in the future.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.


Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
GA
fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?


http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/544-full.html#191294
Welcome To The New Year ... And New Aircraft
A New Light Twin In The Works In Italy

"Tecnam (plane link below), an aviation company based in Italy, has
announced that it will build a new -- high wing -- light twin called the
P2006T, which will be fully FAR 33 certificated and sell for under
$300,000.
First flight is scheduled for September 2006, with first customer
deliveries
expected in 2007. The new P2006T will feature retractable gear and
hydraulic
constant-speed props with feathering. Predicted performance figures for
the
P2006T include a cruise of 147 knots, 53-knot stall, a rate of climb of
1,400 ft/min (350 ft/min on one engine), an empty weight of about 1,400
pounds, and a useful load of about 1,000 pounds. "We expect it to debut in
the U.S. at Sun 'n Fun in 2007," Lynne Birmingham, the acting U.S. agent
for
Tecnam Italy, told AVweb on Saturday. "We're actively pursuing the
training
market."

The four-seat twin will have an optional glass panel and two Rotax 912
engines with 100 hp each. It was designed by Luigi Pascale, who also
designed the sleek Partenavia twin, Birmingham said. Tecnam said it
decided
in favor of the Rotax engines for reasons of weight saving and cost -- not
only purchase price, but also for low-cost maintenance and operation."

http://www.tecnamaircraft.com/Tecnam_P2006T.htm
Twin Rotax 912's


Montblack
DA42 Twin Star sounds like a better all around deal. We'll see.

Another company making a mistake and installing Rotax engines with their
unobtainum customer support.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Lakeview Bill" wrote)
You're ignoring the many STC's which allow GA aircraft to run on mogas,
not to mention the Rotax and Jabiru engines which power many of the new
light sport aircraft, and typically run better on mogas than on 100LL.


Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
GA fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?


A whole lot bigger percentage than have diesels.

"Michelle" wrote

The center stick is at the front edge of your seat.


Duhh! I keep forgetting Maule.

Is it possible to rig it as a kneeboard? Too big, probably, huh?
--
Jim in NC

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
Many STC's, a few Rotix(pl), fewer Jabiru's ...but what percentage of the
GA fleet have these engines? 10%? 15%? 20%? 1 in 4?

A whole lot bigger percentage than have diesels.


I wonder what it is: If you eliminate Class B and Class C airport fuel
sales, how much Jet-A is sold vs. 100LL everywhere else? (Mogas planes are
on their own)


Montblack