see four-point sockets

Flyingmonk wrote:
What're BF, BFH and LF?

The Monk

Well B is big, F is not for polite conversation, H is hammer, L is
little. Hope this (F) helps

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

Fire hydrant ?

Leatherman Multitools
My wave has a 5 point security bit

5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.

Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
on the freeway at speed...

(And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)

Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.

It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.

Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
so I can work on the pole without the ahem excitement factor.

I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P

-- Bruce --

--
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Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
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It sure (F) cleared things up for me :^)

The Monk

You weren't trying to loosen the hood ornament were you? ;-)


Working on Dodge caravan the other day, couldn't get my 19mm to fit and the
20 was too large. Went to the sae set, nothing would fit.. Looked real hard
at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.



--
Stephen W. Hansen
ASE Certified Master Automobile Technician
ASE Automobile Advanced Engine Performance
ASE Undercar Specialist

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/troub...l_obd_main.htm
http://www.troublecodes.net/technical/




wrote in message
roups.com...
four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)

who makes them, who retails 'em?

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:46:26 +0000, (DoN.
Nichols) wrote:

According to Roger :
On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:

four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)

who makes them, who retails 'em?

Taht takes a good "Monkey Wrench". I haven't ween one of those for
years either. I think every really old Ford came with one.



Who on an aviation group uses "FARMER BOLTS" :-))

If you check the headers, you will see that this is cross-posted

Headers?

to rec.crafts.metalworking and rec.autos.tech as well as your newsgroup.


You must work on some really "old" cars:-))

I Haven's seen farmer bolts since I quit farming wayyyy back in the
early 60s. I figured there had to be a better way to make a living,
or at least one more to my liking. Now I'm really paying for all
those sun burns.

Actually, the last wind mill tower I took apart had farmer bolts (the
twist off type) holding it together. (last summer and yes, it was a
very old tower)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Enjoy,
DoN.

In article ,
MOP CAP wrote:

This has been going on for so long that I can't resist a "tool gloat".
Two years ago I picked up at a fles market 3 new old stock 9 piece 1/2"
drive 8 popint socket sets for $25. Don't bother they are all gone
except for the one I kept.

Chuck P.

I ended up with a complete set of (as in every 8 point socket Craftsman
makes) many years ago now. I have them all together on one of those
'socket rail' gimmicks hanging way up on the back edge of the peg board.

I probably on average have a use for any of them every other year or so,
but can recall them 'saving the day' a few times... mostly dealing with
old square head lag bolts, and turning big 1/2" easy outs doing plumbing
work. A good friend/neighbor had borrowed and used them more than I
have, but doing the same kind of things. They're probably at least 30
plus years old now, and still look new...

The 'lead in chamfers' are a bit excessive on most of them... seems
every time I do use them I think I'd like to do something about that.

Erik

That Makes sense.


Steve



"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

Fire hydrant ?

Leatherman Multitools
My wave has a 5 point security bit

5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.

Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
on the freeway at speed...

(And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)

Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.

It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.

Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
so I can work on the pole without the ahem excitement factor.

I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

the other thing about specialist tools is a bit of a liability issue

you CAN work around them but unless you know where and how to find the
right tool to tear apart something that shouldnt be tampered with odds
are you shouldnt be tampering with it

you CAN rig up a manhole Lidlifter for example but there is a reason
manholes are not easy to lift

12 feet underground in a flooded area that just been pumped with high
voltage is not a friendly place for untrained people and thats just a
telecom manhole let alone a sewer or hydro one.



Stephen H wrote:
That Makes sense.


Steve



"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 11:46:06 -0500, Brent Philion
wrote:

Andy Dingley wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:53:00 GMT, "Stephen H"
wrote:

Looked real hard at the nut... I'll be dammed a 5-point nut.
Where the hell did that come from.

Fire hydrant ?

Leatherman Multitools
My wave has a 5 point security bit

5-point bolt heads (and other strange and wonderful fastener
designs) are often found holding things closed that they don't want
the average induhvidual off the street to get into, the Leatherman
Tools are one good example They'll fix it for you for free if you
send it back for service, so you don't need the special 5-point Tamper
Torx driver. Controls unauthorized mods that could cause injuries.

Or things that aren't supposed to come apart at that point, like
those motor mounts. Sounds like that's for the 'backup bolt' on the
mount, meant to keep the engine from falling totally out of the car if
the rubber mount fails - and there's always some fool who will remove
the bolt "To save weight" and then act surprised when the engine falls
on the freeway at speed...

(And then they'll sue the manufacturer of the 'defective' motor
mount - and win. Look up "Chutzpah" in the dictionary.)

Things like the lids of Power Utility manholes and handholes, where
there are seriously hazardous voltages lurking inside... Which is the
reason I need to get a few of those 5-point sockets, so when I get
called out on an outage I can confirm whether or not it's dead in
there. And secure the lid properly if someone else didn't.

It's one of those "Kids, Don't Try This At Home!" things.

Occasionally (two small associations we service) they tap HOA owned
streetlight poles straight from the Edison handhole with a simple
inline fuseholder and pay a flat-rate for the power - which is cheaper
than installing a meter pedestal and paying the monthly minimum for a
meter. And I very occasionally need to get in there and pull the fuse
so I can work on the pole without the ahem excitement factor.

I do my darnedest to make sparks only when I'm welding. On purpose
type welding. With a MIG torch in my hand. Oh heck, you get it... ;-P

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:37:32 -0500, Roger
wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:46:26 +0000, (DoN.
Nichols) wrote:

According to Roger :
On 3 Jan 2006 11:39:10 -0800, wrote:

four point (square) sockets (and/or wrenches)

who makes them, who retails 'em?

Taht takes a good "Monkey Wrench". I haven't ween one of those for
years either. I think every really old Ford came with one.

Good GAWD, I need a new keyboard, or should get a good night's sleep
before trying to type. Either that or I should quit drinking Vernors
while trying to type.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:16:09 -0500, Brent Philion
wrote:

the other thing about specialist tools is a bit of a liability issue

you CAN work around them but unless you know where and how to find the
right tool to tear apart something that shouldnt be tampered with odds
are you shouldnt be tampering with it

you CAN rig up a manhole Lid lifter for example but there is a reason
manholes are not easy to lift

Yeah - cause they're also really hard on your toes if you drop them.
It's like a Rigger, you have to keep your feet out of the "No Zone".
And steel-toes don't help at all if it's your ankle in the way.

12 feet underground in a flooded area that just been pumped with high
voltage is not a friendly place for untrained people and thats just a
telecom manhole let alone a sewer or hydro one.

Actually, voltage concerns are not a big problem with telecom
manholes - everything down there is Class 2 Current Limited. Some of
the carrier circuits have 300V or more on them, but most is -48V DC.

Bad air from oxygen depletion or hydrogen sulphide and explosive
vapors are a much more imminent hazard, and all you need to do to get
killed by them is climb inside without testing and ventilating the
space first. I was a construction splicer for 8 years.

Everything involved with telephones is bonded and grounded 47 ways
from Sunday. The only holes we had to worry about power were ones
located directly under the path of a high-tension transmission line,
and they simply wanted us to keep the bonding straps connected at each
cable end at all times, and hook up temporary grounds to the racking
(instead of leaving them open for the day) and setup our work
positions sitting on a rubber blanket with HV Lineman Gloves at the
ready "just in case" we had to bail out in an emergency.

-- Bruce --

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.