FAA Fees

Thanks all .. got the picture..
Oz used to have a fuel levy, then it was cut and user pays introduced.
Fuel did drop for about 6mths then went even higher when excise tax
applied..(Federal Gov grabs circa 40% of fuel price then there is GST
Tax, State charges etc got the picture)
Lets not mention the efficiency of collecting piddling little amounts of
landing fees..
Lesson there somewhere

Jonathan Goodish wrote:
In article ,
Newps wrote:

Jonathan Goodish wrote:



Private funding of the ATC system is a good idea,

It's only a good idea if the funding is stable. Nowhere that has user
fees has a stable revenue stream. It varies widely from year to year.
Trying prying millions of dollars from a bankrupt airline for their ATC
payment. Canada has had these problems for years.



This wouldn't be a problem if the bankrupt airlines would go under and
stop flying. While this sounds sinister, new competitors would enter
the market and provide greater stability--a much better situation than
government subsidizing these loser carriers.

However, employment stability in the private ATC system wouldn't be a
sure thing. Pension? What pension? Welcome to the real world.

We weren't talking about a private ATC system, just privatizing the
source of the funding. Nobody is talking about taking ATC out of the
government, that clearly doesn't work.

Jay Honeck wrote:

That's what's so damned infuriating about this debate; people can't seem to
understand that our existing fuel tax is *the* most efficient user fee one
could imagine, requiring no further bureaucracy, no extra computer systems,
no extra infrastructure of ANY kind in order to pay for any perceived "FAA
shortfall".

Yeah. All we need to do now is make it illegal for aircraft owners to haul in
gas from outside.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

So, Jay, how much aviation fuel tax did you pay last year?

Not sure. Probably more than most, though, since every time we leave Iowa
City (which we do a LOT), we are stuck buying that crappy Avgas.

The real question is why more airports don't sell car gas -- with the av-tax
added.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

The real question is why more airports don't sell car gas -- with the av-tax
added.

I asked that question at 47N when the management changed and they were deciding
what fuels to offer. They polled the aircraft owners and determined that not
enough people would buy it if they did. Most of the people who had mogas STCs
would have continued to haul their own gas in to save money.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Bottom line: If my airport sold unleaded gasoline, I wouldn't need to haul
the damned stuff in.

And I believe you wouldn't have built the grape if unleaded had been available
then and there.

But now that you have that big tank in a pickup truck, you can't expect us to
believe that you'd start paying avgas prices for mogas on the field. Decent fuel
needs to be made available *and* owners must be banned from hauling gas in from
outside to avoid the taxes.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

And I believe you wouldn't have built the grape if unleaded had been
available then and there.

But now that you have that big tank in a pickup truck, you can't expect us
to believe that you'd start paying avgas prices for mogas on the field.
Decent fuel needs to be made available *and* owners must be banned from
hauling gas in from outside to avoid the taxes.

Agreed. The Mighty Grape will one day wear out -- it's got 125K on it, but
still running great -- and I can only hope that I won't have to spend
thousands to replace it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Agreed. The Mighty Grape will one day wear out -- it's got 125K on it, but
still running great -- and I can only hope that I won't have to spend
thousands to replace it.

I've got 170,000 on mine, but it has a few problems. I'm in the process of
checking to see if it's better to fix them or buy a new one. The latter is
complicated by the fact that the sort of truck I want isn't common in this area,
so I would have to shop several hundred miles away.

Anyway, you've probably got a way to go yet.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"Chris" wrote in message
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"Sylvain" wrote in message
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Jim Macklin wrote:
Income taxes, fuel fees, some airport have landing, tie-down and other
fees. But at the Federal level, so far, most services are paid from
fuel and income taxes, as money is appropriated by Congress.

same in other countries like UK, where taxes -- and quite
a bit more than in US on the fuel alone -- pay for the
same services; yet, it doesn't prevent them from asking for
additional fees (twas 160 UK Pounds at the time when
I got my PPL there, probably a heck of a lot more now);

Our CAA has to be self funding therefore the costs are recovered from the
users. A good example being that it costs me £16 to ask the CAA to verify
my licence particulars to the FAA who then issue me with a nice plastic
certificate for free.
I like your way but I don't think it is sustainable in the long term. User
fees are inevitable despite what AOPA think.


We have USER FEES NOW. They are in the fuel tax. Our roads are done the same
way. Works quite well and is fair because it is a pretty safe bet that the
people using more fuel are probably using more services. If they need to
increase revenue they should just increase the amount of the tax.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:yoEyf.708533$_o.236451@attbi_s71...
So, Jay, how much aviation fuel tax did you pay last year?

Not sure. Probably more than most, though, since every time we leave Iowa
City (which we do a LOT), we are stuck buying that crappy Avgas.

The real question is why more airports don't sell car gas -- with the
av-tax added.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Let's do the math.


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