OT - Anyone here own a restaurant?

The pool was half filled with old, fetid water (beneath the cover), and
if the lads had ripped a hole through the cover we probably wouldn't
have found them till spring. Luckily someone spotted them before they
killed themselves...

And you would have been sued.

And, worst of all -- we would have lost.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Thousands of guests each year! And I thought you said you weren't making
any money in the hotel business!! :-)

Well, we're within spitting distance of breaking even now. As long as you
don't factor in opportunity costs (which would be breath-taking), we've only
lost a few bucks in the last three years, and have significantly upgraded
the facility.

Of course, our energy bills just shot through the roof, and we just ordered
a gigantic roll of carpet (for the next three suites), and we've got some
major plumbing work coming up, and...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Of course, our energy bills just shot through the roof, and we just ordered
a gigantic roll of carpet (for the next three suites), and we've got some
major plumbing work coming up, and...

....and Atlas needed work too (cracked exhaust pipe)?

:^)

The Monk

Jay Honeck wrote:

Of course, our energy bills just shot through the roof, and we just ordered
a gigantic roll of carpet (for the next three suites), and we've got some
major plumbing work coming up, and...

Your talk of problems with toilets backing up got me thinking. Maybe you could
make the drain lines oversize the next time you do any work. Of course, it isn't
going to help to make the drain lines 8" in new suites if they drain into older
6" lines further downstream, but, if they don't, it'll reduce clogs.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Of course, it isn't going to help to make the drain lines 8" in new suites if they drain into older 6" lines further downstream, but, if they don't, it'll reduce clogs.

It will make the clog go further down... where it's harder to snake...
if it's even possible.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

George Patterson wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:

Of course, our energy bills just shot through the roof, and we just
ordered a gigantic roll of carpet (for the next three suites), and
we've got some major plumbing work coming up, and...


Your talk of problems with toilets backing up got me thinking. Maybe you
could make the drain lines oversize the next time you do any work. Of
course, it isn't going to help to make the drain lines 8" in new suites
if they drain into older 6" lines further downstream, but, if they
don't, it'll reduce clogs.

Actually, this isn't necessarily the case. Larger pipes may help avoid
clogs from very large objects such as diapers, but it may increase the
odds of a clog from the more routine "crap" that waste pipes carry. It
takes a certain depth and velocity of water to move the solid waste
through a nearly horizontal run of pipe. With larger pipes, the depth
and velocity of the water from a typical flush won't move the solid
waste. After a while, a clog will form.

This was first noticed when the move was made to the 1.6 gal water
saving toilets. Older homes with 4" main waste pipes began to suffer
more clogs. Many new homes are now made using 3" waste pipes to
increase the water velocity from the water conserving toilets.

Matt

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:16:23 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Actually, this isn't necessarily the case. Larger pipes may help avoid
clogs from very large objects such as diapers, but it may increase the
odds of a clog from the more routine "crap" that waste pipes carry. It
takes a certain depth and velocity of water to move the solid waste
through a nearly horizontal run of pipe. With larger pipes, the depth
and velocity of the water from a typical flush won't move the solid
waste. After a while, a clog will form.

This was first noticed when the move was made to the 1.6 gal water
saving toilets. Older homes with 4" main waste pipes began to suffer
more clogs. Many new homes are now made using 3" waste pipes to
increase the water velocity from the water conserving toilets.

Ya know, you sure know a lot about crap.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist

It always amazes me the bits of trivia one picks up reading these
groups.

Peter Clark wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:16:23 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:


Actually, this isn't necessarily the case. Larger pipes may help avoid
clogs from very large objects such as diapers, but it may increase the
odds of a clog from the more routine "crap" that waste pipes carry. It
takes a certain depth and velocity of water to move the solid waste
through a nearly horizontal run of pipe. With larger pipes, the depth
and velocity of the water from a typical flush won't move the solid
waste. After a while, a clog will form.

This was first noticed when the move was made to the 1.6 gal water
saving toilets. Older homes with 4" main waste pipes began to suffer
more clogs. Many new homes are now made using 3" waste pipes to
increase the water velocity from the water conserving toilets.


Ya know, you sure know a lot about crap.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist

It always amazes me the bits of trivia one picks up reading these
groups.

I picked this up reading a construction ng... :-)

Crap is their business. :-)

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
Ya know, you sure know a lot about crap.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist

It always amazes me the bits of trivia one picks up reading these
groups.

I picked this up reading a construction ng... :-)

Crap is their business. :-)



Mine too....



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Of course, our energy bills just shot through the roof,

isn't it better to have a long term investment (paying back for itself)
than buying carpet for a suite? -- insulation, better windows, energy
efficient heaters/coolers, etc.

When you already have a fairly efficient building, the percentage gain,
over amount (less gas) used, is hard to make much gain on. If there were
really bad windows and crappy heaters, then you could justify the
expenditures.

Our problem is that natural gas just shot up by about double. If you heat
air, and water with natural gas, that is a direct increase. If you use
electricity, the bills still go up a tremendous amount, because most of the
peak use electricity is generated using natural gas.

So, the best route is to replace units with newer, more efficient units,
when they break. Until then, all we can do is bitch about the increased
bills. g
--
Jim in NC