FAA to be phasing out "position and hold" in the US

In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

Ground control sometimes gets annoyed if you ask for
confirmation before crossing an inactive runway on your way to takeoff.

Screw that. If you're not sure, ask for confirmation.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

Ground control sometimes gets annoyed if you ask for
confirmation before crossing an inactive runway on your way to takeoff.

Screw that. If you're not sure, ask for confirmation.

I agree. (Was just citing that to illustrate that confirmation isn't
required.)

--Gary

Yup. AIM 4-3-18a5. Ground control sometimes gets annoyed if you ask for
confirmation before crossing an inactive runway on your way to takeoff.

--Gary

I don't mind annoying Ground Control. I fly at the second busiest airport in
the state and it was 5th or 7th last year for runway incursions. We now have
those yellow flashy lights where the taxiway crosses the runway and those
big RED Rwy numbers painted on the taxiway at the hold short line.
BT

Where did my memory of "non-active runways" come from. Did it used to say
something different at one time? Did an alien implant the memory in my
brain for some nefarious purpose?


It's always been that way that I can remember, (35yrs), but it is always a
fail safe to ask.
BT

so true... also, "my hands are so busy with stick and spoiler handle in the
pattern that I'm not going to drop everything just to answer you". Some
gliders have PTT switches. Most training gliders don't even have a radio and
work with hand held radio if any.

BT

"Jon Woellhaf" wrote in message
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"BTIZ" wrote
The one I hate at uncontrolled airport is "any traffic in the area please
advise"..

Possible response: "I'm in the area but I can't hear you because I don't
have a radio."

You can but a basic light-weight headset and PTT switch from
any pilot store (gliders don't need noise
protection/canceling headphones, but you should have it on
the mic). They can be connected to your hand-held just
fine.



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"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:cSNNf.253$ld2.199@fed1read11...
| so true... also, "my hands are so busy with stick and
spoiler handle in the
| pattern that I'm not going to drop everything just to
answer you". Some
| gliders have PTT switches. Most training gliders don't
even have a radio and
| work with hand held radio if any.
|
| BT
|
| "Jon Woellhaf" wrote in message
| ...
| "BTIZ" wrote
| The one I hate at uncontrolled airport is "any traffic
in the area please
| advise"..
|
| Possible response: "I'm in the area but I can't hear you
because I don't
| have a radio."
|
|
|

The one I hate at uncontrolled airport is "any traffic in the area please
advise"..

Possible response: "I'm in the area but I can't hear you because I don't
have a radio."

In that case the only solution is unrolling a large banner: "Then get
your ass out of the plane and buy one !"

They really ought to get rid of those grandfathering rules in the FAA;
just because a plane was safe in a 1960s flight environment does not
mean it's safe now without upgrades. /end rant

You've always needed an explicit clearance to taxi across runways.

Well, sorta. A clearance to taxi TO an active runway is an =implicit=
clearance to taxi across any runways except that active runway.

Jose
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I like the TV news reporting that there is a power outage.
If your power is out, you know it and can't see the TV
anyway.

ATC to student pilot, "say position... sp "sitting down in
an airplane."
"Say intentions" "going to see my grandma"



wrote in message
oups.com...
| The one I hate at uncontrolled airport is "any traffic
in the area please
| advise"..
|
| Possible response: "I'm in the area but I can't hear you
because I don't
| have a radio."
|
| In that case the only solution is unrolling a large
banner: "Then get
| your ass out of the plane and buy one !"
|
| They really ought to get rid of those grandfathering rules
in the FAA;
| just because a plane was safe in a 1960s flight
environment does not
| mean it's safe now without upgrades. /end rant
|

"Dave D" wrote:

What about at uncontrolled fields?
At Watsonville (WVI) , on weekends, pilots taxi right out after someone
touches down
calling position-and-hold. Have to, because there can be 4 in the pattern
and more calling in their arrival.
Plus, there is a line of planes behind you wanting to take off.
As a new pilot, that field scares me a little. It takes some balls to get in
and out of there.



P&H was never a wise thing to me. If you need that at an uncontrolled
field then ask someone on final to extend a few seconds. I have no
desire to P&H at an uncontrolled field and taking off from the hold
short area only adds a few seconds. Well worth it to ensure that I
can be aware of traffic on final or very close in base.

Ron Lee