Commercial rating?

Chris wrote:

Having a 61.75 Private certificate and the hours and experience
requirements for the commercial it seemed to make more sense to do the
commercial and get that in my own right than spend the same money and get
the private.

absolutely; I did it initially for this very reason, makes sense.

--Sylvain

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
Bottom-line, a pilot who wants to work on "his" airplane
needs instruction.

Actually, he can do it without instruction if it is done under the
supervision of the holder of an A&P certificate.

Actually, within the limits of the "preventative maintenance" rules, he need
not do it under the supervision of the holder of an A&P certificate, nor
does he need any sort of formal instruction.

I believe that what Jim was trying to say is that some sort of instruction
is important, not that it's legally required. Based on his clarification in
response to my post, I think he's talking about the practical and
safety-related side of the question, not the regulatory side.

Pete

Even a licensed A&P needs instruction. The FAA position is
that formal training and currency are required for an A&P.
If you have not previously done a certain ordinary task, you
must be supervised the first time you do it. Then if you
have not done any work for a period of time, you must gain
currency.
§ 65.81 General privileges and limitations.
(a) A certificated mechanic may perform or supervise the
maintenance, preventive maintenance or alteration of an
aircraft or appliance, or a part thereof, for which he is
rated (but excluding major repairs to, and major alterations
of, propellers, and any repair to, or alteration of,
instruments), and may perform additional duties in
accordance with §§65.85, 65.87, and 65.95. However, he may
not supervise the maintenance, preventive maintenance, or
alteration of, or approve and return to service, any
aircraft or appliance, or part thereof, for which he is
rated unless he has satisfactorily performed the work
concerned at an earlier date. If he has not so performed
that work at an earlier date, he may show his ability to do
it by performing it to the satisfaction of the Administrator
or under the direct supervision of a certificated and
appropriately rated mechanic, or a certificated repairman,
who has had previous experience in the specific operation
concerned.

(b) A certificated mechanic may not exercise the privileges
of his certificate and rating unless he understands the
current instructions of the manufacturer, and the
maintenance manuals, for the specific operation concerned.

[Doc. No. 1179, 27 FR 7973, Aug. 10, 1962, as amended by
Amdt. 65-2, 29 FR 5451, Apr. 23, 1964; Amdt. 65-26, 45 FR
46737, July 10, 1980]




--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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§ 65.83 Recent experience requirements.
A certificated mechanic may not exercise the privileges of
his certificate and rating unless, within the preceding 24
months-

(a) The Administrator has found that he is able to do that
work; or

(b) He has, for at least 6 months-

(1) Served as a mechanic under his certificate and rating;

(2) Technically supervised other mechanics;

(3) Supervised, in an executive capacity, the maintenance or
alteration of aircraft; or

(4) Been engaged in any combination of paragraph (b) (1),
(2), or (3) of this section.




"Peter Duniho" wrote in
message ...
| "Larry Dighera" wrote in message
| ...
| Bottom-line, a pilot who wants to work on "his" airplane
| needs instruction.
|
| Actually, he can do it without instruction if it is done
under the
| supervision of the holder of an A&P certificate.
|
| Actually, within the limits of the "preventative
maintenance" rules, he need
| not do it under the supervision of the holder of an A&P
certificate, nor
| does he need any sort of formal instruction.
|
| I believe that what Jim was trying to say is that some
sort of instruction
| is important, not that it's legally required. Based on
his clarification in
| response to my post, I think he's talking about the
practical and
| safety-related side of the question, not the regulatory
side.
|
| Pete
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:gl3Qf.116727$QW2.106797@dukeread08...
Even a licensed A&P needs instruction. The FAA position is
that formal training and currency are required for an A&P.

It's unclear, once again, whether you are speaking of the regulatory sense
or the practical sense.

In the regulatory sense, you mean to write "only a licensed A&P needs
instruction". I'm not aware of any regulation that requires a certificated
pilot to undergo instruction prior to performing preventative maintenance.

Obviously, in the practical sense, one should obtain instruction for any but
the most trivial of tasks (I'd consider changing a light bulb pretty trivial
in most cases, but changing the oil and a filter not in most cases, for
example), whether one is a certificated mechanic or not.

But the regulations only require it for the certificated mechanic (oddly
enough).

Pete