MoGas users: Ethanol replacing MTBE

Cub Driver wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:35:33 -0400, John wrote:

The federal government hasn't banned
MTBE outright (some individual states have) but will not protect oil
companies from MTBE lawsuits so MTBE is being phased out by next week in
most places.

I think you have to make that *all* places. There may be some MTBE
still being pumped out of the ground, but nobody is going to
manufacture it because Congress did not renew the immunity to
liability that companies previously had. Nobody wants to repriese the
asbestos liability monster.

My local airport was so fussy about mogas that it found a dealer in
Maine that would deliver mogas without MTBE. I don't know what will
happen to the mogas pump. I understand that there's a huge problem
about ethanol in that it can't be stored for long periods of time or
sent over long distances because water will cause the ethanol to
separate out (funny, I thought that that was why we put alcohol in our
gasoline in New Hampshire, to get the water to meld with the fuel).

It's the same principle, but ethanol will keep picking up water it comes
across. A pipeline may have small amounts of water here and there but this
can get added again and again over long distances. The fuel becomes less and
less useable as more and more water is added, because obviously the water
doesn't contain any useable energy and it takes energy to evaporate that
water in a cylinder.

When you add alcohol to remove water (ice) from a gas tank, there is a very
limited amount of water (hopefully) so the effects of that water aren't
great, especially compared to ice blocking your fuel line.


I
don't see how ethanol mix can sit in the ground for months or a year
without suffering the same fate. The airport just doesn't sell that
much mogas.

Or maybe non-MTBE, non-ethanol gasoline will still be available in
Maine?

Time will tell.

"Sylvain" wrote in message
...

Anyway, anyone who thinks the 'Iran' problem has anything to do with
them bragging about nukes is a tad naive; they are doing something
far worse than that, and that's what is going to get them bombed: they
are about to start trading oil in euros instead of dollars.

--Sylvain

Bingo

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:48:37 -0400, Marissa Bealey wrote:

.. and still you interfere ...

Yeah we apologize for sending hundreds of thousands of marines, sailors, and
soldiers to fight and die to interfere while cleaning up Europe's own
home-grown messes and genocide. Funny how Europe begged USA to "interfere."
Again, apologies. USA could have been non interfering while the rest of
Europeans became lampshades. Can you forgive us?

is this _all_ you can bring up?
Europe needed help and asked for it, your prents or grandparents granted
the help and we were thankful (and paid our share the coming years).

More on topic, enjoy the flying in Europe, I hear it's really popular and
available to the average person.

not general aviation.
But IIRC flying by airline is cheaper than over there.

#m
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:48:58 -0400, Marissa Bealey wrote:

"International law" is a fantasy term. As far as treaties go, you're
mistaken.

what about "no US soldier at an international court"?

#m
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:54:16 -0400, Marissa Bealey wrote:

So if it is such a burden for your great nation to have the honor of hosting
world leaders, why send out the invitations?

well, it seems that - just like in your country - the citizens are not
always the same opinion as their leaders.

#m
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yes, it is me.


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Montblack

More on topic, enjoy the flying in Europe, I hear it's really popular and
available to the average person.

not general aviation.
But IIRC flying by airline is cheaper than over there.

If your goal is to fly in an executive mail tube, have fun.

Personally, I'll take to the free American skies...for now.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
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"Your Aviation Destination"

("Matt Barrow" wrote)
Iran invaded and held sovereign American territory. What more does a
country need to justify war?

Since Iran's action was, according to "International Law", an act of war,
nothing.


Isn't there, like, a 25 year statute of limitation for taking an embassy?

Besides, many of the Iranian "students" were duped by the religious regime
and later killed or imprisoned.

Speaking of "International Law"...

Sorry, no nuk'n the Fundamentalist nut jobs, as per our 1980 "pledge".
[Damn Treaty of Versailles... Algiers...whatever!] :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Final months:
"The death of the Shah on July 27 and the invasion of Iran by Iraq in
September, 1980 made Iran more receptive to resolve the hostage crisis,
while Carter lost the November 1980 presidential election to Ronald Reagan.
Shortly after the election, the Carter administration, with the assistance
of intermediaries such as Algerian diplomat Abdulkarim Ghuraib, opened
fruitful negotiations between the U.S. and Iran. This resulted in the
"Algiers Accords" of January 19, 1981, committing Iran to free the hostages
immediately. Essential to the Algiers Accords and reportedly a
non-negotiable requirement of Iran that the Carter Administration
reluctantly conceded was Point I: Non-Intervention in Iranian Affairs. It
reads "The United States pledges that it is and from now on will be the
policy of the United States not to intervene, directly or indirectly,
politically or militarily, in Iran's internal affairs." Other provisions of
the Algiers Accords were unfreezing of 8 billion dollars worth of Iranian
assets and immunity from lawsuits Iran might have faced. On January 20,
1981, twenty minutes after President Reagan's inaugural address, the
hostages were formally released into U.S. custody, having spent 444 days in
captivity."


Montblack

("Martin Hotze" wrote)
Just give it a try and leave everybody alone with their problems. Maybe
you're right and we have to come back whining and asking for your help.
Then you can decide and demand whatever you want for your help. You never
gave it a try.


Marty, Marty, Marty,

I hope, for your sake, that if something monumental does occur in Europe, it
WILL be the USA that 'decides and demands whatever they want' from you. If
not us, you're in trouble buddy!

....unless you heal that 'wound to your immortal soul' you guys sustained in
WWII, collect yourselves, and kick some ass - when the time comes to do so.

But yes, picking your battles is always a wise strategy.

That said, sometimes the battles PICK YOU - France WWI, Ukraine WWII,
Lebanon 1980, Innsbruck Austria 2009?


Montblack
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The Letters

"mike regish" wrote

But here I am on a beautiful Sunday morning typing away instead of flying
away. This is a real double whammy for me. Either the rising prices OR the
ethanol thing I could probably absorb, but both together is a real killer.

Step one. Find an old 6 wheel oil or gas tanker truck, and get your CDL
with the H endorsement.

Step two. Drive to where there is un-doctored gas for sale, and buy a
tanker full of it. You now have your gas needs for the next year taken care
of, and will save enough money to have bought the tanker.
--
Jim in NC