MoGas users: Ethanol replacing MTBE

On 2006-05-02, Jay Honeck wrote:
Correction: the corporations are the masters, not the citizens.

And what are corporations? Large groups of people, each with a vote.

There's nothing wrong with corporations, per se. However, when they are
used by a minority of people holding proportionately very large amounts
of influence to buy legislation, things are getting rotten.

I'm always amused by people who use the word "corporation" in a
perjorative way. There are very few structures in the world more
democratic than a corporation

Corporations are only democratic to the extent you have a shareholder
interest in them. Is it right that I should have to buy probably
several hundred million dollars worth of shared in, say, Disney to
prevent Disney from buying Sen Fritz Hollings (D. South Carolina - now
people joke that 'D' no longer means Democrat, but Disney) and proposing
appalling legislation that would effectively prevent independent film
makers from being able to share their stuff over the internet, free of
control of the big film industries?

Corporations aren't democratic in the way a country is (supposedly)
democratic. In the US, every US citizen has the same vote. With
corporations, you have to be a shareholder, and the more shares you buy
the more power you have. In the context of running a corporation, there
is nothing at all wrong with this. However, when it results in these
same shareholders being able to purchase politicians via the company
boardroom to make laws for them that can be used to neuter the competition -
then there's something rotten, and the democratic principles of the
country are being undermined. The ability to buy legislation to impede
competition is also anti free market (i.e. anti-capitalist).

When it gets to the situation that the only realistic choices the
people have left to vote for in a given juristidiction are a few
corporate shills, all bought and paid for by various corporations,
then democracy has been subverted.

I am *PRO* the existence of corporations. However, I am *AGAINST* the
principle that large corporations should be essentially be allowed to
buy legislation to distort the market.

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"Mary" wrote in message ...


Icebound wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Although I'm not in favor of nuking Iran, I must point out that you're
judging the results in Iraq with typical American impatience.

The outcome of this war won't be known for decades. I believe history
will look favorably on the decision to intervene when we did -- as it
will when we are forced to do something in Iran.


Sorry, Jay.

The routing of the Taliban in Afghanistan: yes, history will look very
favourably.

But the invasion of Iraq will be viewed as one of the worst decisions
that a
President of the United States has ever made. Even if the eventual
outcome
produces the most idyllic non-violent pro-western participatory democracy
that the world has ever seen... there is no way to tell whether that may
not
have come about in time, anyway, from internal pressures of a
disenchanted
populace, plus diplomatic pressures from a united world.

Ahh yes, yearning for the good 'ole days of Saddam Hussein's horrible
reign, his
rape rooms, his tortured and mangled bodies, his piles of human ears
lobbed off
from those who didn't swear or were suspected of not swearing their
loyalty.
The chemical gassing of thousands of humans, each a human life, just as
you and
I are. Just like the gas ovens in Germany, how horrible that's over!


The sky is blue, the winds are calm, and I'm going flying.

That will add about as much to this debate as does your ridiculous satire..

Do you think the average stock holder has any chance of influencing what
happens at a company in his portfolio? Have you ever gone to a stockholders
meeting and/or submitted a stockholder proposal?

Just look at what is going on with executive compensation. The whole system
consists of a cabal of about 300 people who sit on each other's boards and
hand out the spoils. If you read your proxy statements in minute detail,
you will discover that at many large US corporations executive compensation
for the top 10 people now accounts for 10 - 25% of total company earnings
(assuming there are any that aren't artificially manufactured).

Similarly, it is now coming out that the 18 wealthiest families in the US
have single handedly financed the lobbying effort to convince the rest of us
that we should get rid of the estate tax.

I used to be a republican in the days when the party stood for fiscal
responsibility and furthering the good of the nation. During the current
administration, the party has sold the country out to the highest bidder.

Mike Schumann

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Correction: the corporations are the masters, not the citizens.

And what are corporations? Large groups of people, each with a vote.

I'm always amused by people who use the word "corporation" in a
perjorative way. There are very few structures in the world more
democratic than a corporation -- and they are by FAR preferable to sole
proprietorships.
--
Jay Honeck
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www.AlexisParkInn.com
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"mike regish" wrote in message
...
Ya gotta punch the right bully.

Given.
--
Jim in NC

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
"Morgans" wrote:

It happened before, and it will-was happening again. Do nothing again
Martin? A very dangerous direction to take, indeed.

I had people in my own family who where short before deportation to a
concentration camp, they were regular farmers, they only spoke up. YOU
want
to tell me *SOMETHING* about living in a regime?

All horrors, indeed. I would think that you would agree with me.

If the world had put a stop to Hitler's aggression early on, instead of
trying to pacify him, perhaps all of the horrors your family experience
would not have happened.

In short, nobody (other nations) did anything, just like I said. Look what
it got you.

In Iraq, we had a man that ruled by terror, killed his *own* subjects with
chemical warfare, banned by most nations, tortured and executed many people.

We as a nation, elected a leader that did not want to sit and do nothing.
The reasons given for invasion were not important. He needed to go. He is
gone. Good.

Perhaps we saved many families, like yours, from having to go through the
persecution, like your family did. I think that it is very likely that is
the case.
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:35:33 -0400, John wrote:
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Many or most aircraft mogas STCs prohibit gasoline containing ethanol
due to its tendency to attack certain seals, gaskets, and parts in
aircraft fuel tanks, fuel systems, and engines. So for those of you who
use motor fuel in airplanes, is the lack of motor gasoline that doesn't
contain ethanol becoming a problem?


By the way ethanol contains less energy per gallon than gasoline. Enjoy!

I think it's 60% less by volume, but it is clean burning.
If cars can be modified to use ethanol and the team that shows up at
Oshkosh each year burns ethanol, what would it take to convert an
airplane to use fuel with ethanol? I realize on mine with bladder
tanks it might be considerable, OTOH on mine it's not a problem as the
compression is too high to get an autogas STC anyway.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Man, talk about thread drift!

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:01:55 -0700, Bob Fry
wrote:

All the talk about nukes is missing the future WMD, engineered
viruses. In a few years it will be possible for a very small group of

What do you mean in a few years? According to several limited
incidents and news stories it's possible now.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
people to design and manufacture viruses that are highly contagious
and cause a high percentage of fatalities. Yes, it would be very hard
to limit their destruction once released but to fanatics who simply
hate that does not matter.

I think it's 60% less by volume, but it is clean burning.

How much gas does it take to run the farm equipment to generate the corn
in the first place?

Jose
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("Roger" wrote)
Man, talk about thread drift!


Isn't that what the piece of yaw string up on the monitor is for? :-)


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