Busted TFR, what to expect?

"Morgans" wrote in message
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I was thinking of something along the lines of a quick description, such
as " --- centered on ---" then, "tune to blah blah blah for further
information."

You seem to be underestimating the number of NOTAMs that are generally
active at any given time. We're not just talking TFRs. There are lots of
other kinds of NOTAMs that a pilot may need to know about, and if a
dissemenation system is going to be set up on the radio frequencies, they
all need to be included.

If you had already done your homework, then the quick description would
tell you already knew about it, then you could ignore the tuning somewhere
else part. If it was something new that you were not aware of, then you
could check it out.

If you had already done your homework, you wouldn't need to hear about the
TFR on the radio.

Just another idea. It does seem like some people do their best to find
out, but due to delays, or time to get to the airport, or pop ups, they
still get caught.

There really just aren't that many NOTAMs that pop up at the last minute,
even TFRs. Most of the TFR violations are pilots who simply didn't bother
to get the available information.

Granted, it is a much higher percentage of busted notices, because of
total failure to attempt to get the information.

If you mean that most violations are due to failure to get the available
information, then yes...agreed.

Pete

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71...
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I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

I guarantee you that in three minutes, you do NOT check "every screw, bolt
and connector".

You are fooling yourself if you think that three minutes is sufficient time
for a preflight inspection.

Bob,

Obviously the current system isn't working well.


So you didn't even check? And you do tha regularly? Jeeze, wtf do you
expect? This makes what happened entirely your fault, I'm afraid. And,
with all due respect, I really do hope the FSDO manages to teach you a
thorough lesson - because you're one of the idio^H^H^H^H, uhm, persons
hurting all of us pilots by being careless and lazy.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Bob Noel wrote:

Touch everything inspected (not just look at it but touch it - how
can you tell a nut is loose just by looking?).

On my plane (an SR22) many of the nuts have a dab of paint on them where
they meet the screw. If they move the paint dab cracks. It's quite
visually apparent.

rg

Dale Falk wrote:

hehe I did that in Florida with my Alaska cell phone. The briefer in
the AFSS in Kenai, Alaska was only slightly more confused than I was
when I asked for a brief for a flight in Florida. G

Same here. G

Wait! but I'm in....

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Bob,

Obviously the current system isn't working well.


So you didn't even check? And you do tha regularly? Jeeze, wtf do you
expect? This makes what happened entirely your fault, I'm afraid. And,
with all due respect, I really do hope the FSDO manages to teach you a
thorough lesson - because you're one of the idio^H^H^H^H, uhm, persons
hurting all of us pilots by being careless and lazy.


I got a treat the other day to witness a small plane being intercepted
by an F-16 from my living room window in South Jersey on Wednesday. I
knew I would hear about it on the news. Sure enough:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4203212.

What's funny is the guy keeps saying he didn't know the President was in
town. I think this is a case of not doing the pre-flight homework. I
knew about the TFR two days before it went into effect.

The video gets chopped off, watching it on the news last night she said
other pilots had a hard time believing that he didn't know the President
was in town. That may have been true, but only because he didn't do the
homework. There was another plane in the area that violated airspace,
which I don't have details on. Something you don't see everyday in my
area...

--
Mike

On Fri, 26 May 2006 01:27:41 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in hQsdg.3183$No1.816@attbi_s71::

I've still got 12 to 17 minutes left. What're you doing that I'm not?

Sampling/draining all five fuel sumps? Testing the stall warning
switch & ELT operation, inspecting the brake linings, looking for
hydraulic leaks, tire treads, pitot/static ports, prop condition,
spinner attachment, oleo-struts, and all the other items mentioned
he
http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUC...info.asp?ID=29

Check nav lights and rotating beacon

You check them on EVERY flight? I only check those before a night flight.
(And my rotating beacon was removed years ago, in lieu of strobes.)

Check electric fuel pump

That's before take-off, on my checklist.

Check flap operation

Yep, those are down and inspected during the pre-flight.

Sample fuel from each tank and from the gascalator

Yep, that's part of it, too. (Guess I figured that was a "given"...)

Touch everything inspected (not just look at it but touch it - how
can you tell a nut is loose just by looking?).

Roger that.

Alternator belt is checked for freeplay

I can't get at mine, sadly.

Inspect tires and brakes (including exposed lines)

Mine are under the "fancy pants" -- so all I can see is the bottom of the
tires.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

It's a basic part of the preflight actions. I also spend a good 15-20
minutes walking around my airplane before every flight


I do a thorough pre-flight inspection before every flight. Every control
surface is checked for continuity, all four gas tanks are visually
inspected, oil is checked, wheel pants are given a tug, prop is examined,
stall indicator movement verified, every screw, bolt and connector is
visually inspected...


A preflight before every flight? I don't think so. Once a day. Check
the stall warner? Every year at the annual.

How about checking the oil, and visually inspecting (dipping the tanks)
the fuel before every flight?

Fuel guages aren't always trust-worthy, and I don't know that somebody
hasn't siphoned fuel from my tanks while I was enjoying that $100
hamburger.

1st flight of the day... Always a thorough pre-flight inspection
(including duats or wxbrief).

If I stop somewhere for lunch, where the plane is out of my site for an
hour or so... Walk-around, looking to see that nobody bumped into the
bird while I was eating, dip the tanks, check the oil, and do a
standard run-up and controls check.

Day trip, where the plane has been sitting somewhere for an extended
period of time... I treat it like the first flight of the day.

I never take off, without dipping the tanks and checking the oil...

Best Regards,
Todd