Mexico Border TFR No that bad

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:46:54 -0700, "nooneimportant"
wrote in OAhCf.46194$V.43804@fed1read04::


The teathered baloons ARE on the border, know of one near big bend area in
TX, and another near Silver City, MN. They don't have TFR's... they have
airspace slightly more restrictive then a TFR... They have plain ole
Restricted Airspace from surface up to fifteen thousand i belive...

Would that be because the balloons are permanent not temporary?

I honestly don't see the UAV's doing all that much to help stop immigration,
still gonna take ground troops to intercept the illegals and shipemback.

Apparently Bush is funding that too. (I posted a link supporting that
in a previous message thread on this same subject.)

After considering the mission of border surveillance a little more, I
came to the conclusion, that the use of sophisticated sensors aboard
the UAVs could probably detect the presence of nuclear materials. I
suppose C-182s could be equipped with the same sensors, but the UAVs
are designed to carry them, and probably other useful things. So if
the US can afford the cost, we'll probably be seeing UAVs deployed
around the entire boundary of our nation. I don't particularly
embrace the resulting potential loss of privacy (nor the airspace
restrictions), but given the popular foreign anti-US sentiment, and
proliferation of thugs equipped with weapons worldwide, an _effective_
border patrol system may be a prudent investment.

That said I don't really have a big prob with this particular TFR, the base
is above what most GA traffic will be operating at. It shares a common
border with the ADIZ which involves ATC contact ANYWAY to transit, and with
ATC communicaiton there is the possibility that you can STILL enter and
transit the UAV TFR's. There are very few airports that will be "Under" the
TFR, and even then do you really expect to be reaching 12k feet in 7 miles?

That sounds like a fair analysis. It just fails to address the
precedent this sets for additional future domestic UAV operations.
There is something eerily Orwellian about autonomous machines watching
from above. Welcome to the 21st century.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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After considering the mission of border surveillance a little more, I
came to the conclusion, that the use of sophisticated sensors aboard
the UAVs could probably detect the presence of nuclear materials.

Could you please point to some reference that led you to that
conclusion?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:31:36 GMT, "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com
wrote in IdyDf.10762$Ix.243@trnddc07::


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .


After considering the mission of border surveillance a little more, I
came to the conclusion, that the use of sophisticated sensors aboard
the UAVs could probably detect the presence of nuclear materials.

Could you please point to some reference that led you to that
conclusion?


As I recall, it was a reference to UAVs on a Science or Military
Channel program discussing military robots present and future. I
don't know if such sensors were stipulated in the RFP issued for
border patrol, but it seems like a good idea to included them.

"Larry Dighera" wrote

That sounds like a fair analysis. It just fails to address the
precedent this sets for additional future domestic UAV operations.
There is something eerily Orwellian about autonomous machines watching
from above. Welcome to the 21st century.

Uncle Sam will set whatever "precedents," for whatever it wants to do, with
little concern for what you or I want, especially when it can be said to
"make sense."

Wait for something that doesn't make sense, to make the outcry. It will
still likely do no good, but it will have a better chance of succeeding,
than this one will.
--
Jim in NC

We now have Mexican soldiers crossing our south border. Even have
video of two of them.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/bordersecurity...79/detail.html

The Monk

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:31:36 GMT, "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com
wrote in IdyDf.10762$Ix.243@trnddc07::


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .


After considering the mission of border surveillance a little more, I
came to the conclusion, that the use of sophisticated sensors aboard
the UAVs could probably detect the presence of nuclear materials.

Could you please point to some reference that led you to that
conclusion?



This is the sort of technology of which I am thinking:


http://www.newscientisttech.com/arti...25566.100.html

Astronomy detectors could become nuke hunters
20 June 2006
NewScientist.com news service

DETECTORS designed to search for gamma rays produced by quasars
and supernovae could be used to spot illicit nuclear material on
Earth.

The Major Atmospheric Gamma-ray Imaging Cherenkov (MAGIC)
telescope in La Palma, Spain, detects flashes of light produced
when gamma rays hit the upper atmosphere. Now a group led by
Daniel Ferenc at the University of California, Davis, has
developed detectors based on light-sensitive semiconducting
materials. When photons hit the semiconductors, they emit
electrons, which can be measured.

The detectors work in the same way when hit by neutrons and gamma
rays given off by plutonium, so the US National Nuclear Security
Administration hopes to use them to scan cargo for nuclear
weapons.

From issue 2556 of New Scientist magazine, 20 June 2006, page 29