FLYING VFR IN IMC CONDITIONS

Andrew Gideon wrote:


While I've no problem believing that VFR into IMC is a dangerous
situation, I've some difficulty believing that it is as likely to cause
crashes as you state. Perhaps I'm just being cynical, but I can imagine
instrument rated pilots doing quite well in the clouds w/o a clearance.

VFR-into-IMC generally refers to VFR pilots into IMC not Instrument
rated (or at least trained) pilots operating under VFR when they should
be IFR.

i have just gone through my original message and realized my mistake. i
could not convey what actually i wanted. "high ratio of airline crashes
is attributable to flying VFR in IMC."

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:06:42 -0400, Andrew Gideon
wrote in ::

Perhaps I'm just being cynical, but I can imagine
instrument rated pilots doing quite well in the clouds w/o a clearance.

That occurs quite often in Class G airspace.


So we've no way to know how frequent or infrequent this is.

But you'll have to agree, that is highly unlikely that 80% of VFR in
IMC flights result in disaster as the original poster apparently
believes.

Sky Scrapper wrote:
i have just gone through my original message and realized my mistake. i
could not convey what actually i wanted. "high ratio of airline crashes
is attributable to flying VFR in IMC."

I think this mistake is even bigger than your last one. I don't know
what part of the world you are talking about, but I don't know of any US
airlines that routinely fly VFR. Maybe in Alaska...


Matt

Sky Scrapper wrote:
i have just gone through my original message and realized my mistake. i
could not convey what actually i wanted. "high ratio of airline crashes
is attributable to flying VFR in IMC."

Which airline flies VFR in VMC *or* IMC?

"Sky Scrapper" wrote in message
ups.com...
i have just gone through my original message and realized my mistake. i
could not convey what actually i wanted. "high ratio of airline crashes
is attributable to flying VFR in IMC."

Skylune, is that you???? Come on out now we know you are in there.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Sky Scrapper" wrote in message
ups.com...
i have just gone through my original message and realized my mistake. i
could not convey what actually i wanted. "high ratio of airline crashes
is attributable to flying VFR in IMC."

Skylune, is that you???? Come on out now we know you are in there.

Nahhh, even he is smarter than this bridge guarder.
--
Jim in NC

In article , ag7337
@gideon.org says...
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:13:13 -0400, Ron Natalie wrote:

The issue is not that VFR-into-IMC comprises a large number of crashes,
but that VFR-into-IMC operations are more likely to result in a crash (a
fatal one at that) when they do occur. Most of the weather related
fatalities were VFR-into-IMC situations.

I don't think he means that though. He means VFR pilots.

What's that saying? "169 seconds to live" - or somethin' like that.

--
Duncan

Sky,

"high ratio of airline crashes
is attributable to flying VFR in IMC."


Huh? Now I'd really want you to back that statement up with numbers.
Can you?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I'm not sure about the US but AFAIK here in OZ all Regular public transport
(RPT) (Airliners) fly under IFR with some exceptions:

CAO 82.3 para 7.2 Subject to paragraphs 7.2.1, 7.2.2, 7.2.3, 7.3 and 7.4,
each operator must conduct flights under the I.F.R.

Under these conditions the pilot(s) are commercial and IFR rated. The
aircraft must also comply with the regulations for IFR. It is unlikely,
although I have nothing to confirm this, that flight from VMC into IMC
(wheather flying under VFR or IFR) would cause significant grief. I know
there have been a number of CFIT accidents lately and a VFR rated pilot who
flies into IMC is at considerable risk, but airliners having accidents
because they fly VMC into IMC - bit of a stretch....

Just my opinion, YMMV,
Kevin

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Sky,

"high ratio of airline crashes
is attributable to flying VFR in IMC."


Huh? Now I'd really want you to back that statement up with numbers.
Can you?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Your inability to distinquish between BS and actual criticism, with
referenced factual data from BTS, NTSB, etc. is not surprising to me at
all.

Hey, did you see the three homes wrecked near Portland at the airshow
yesterday? Fortunately, it was a Sunday, so no one home. Only the
pilot/lawyer killed.