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Larry Dighera wrote:
On 24 Jul 2006 13:34:11 -0700, wrote in
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Wow! You can get your wings to pin on your shirt there too! :-)

Email me and i will see to it that you recieve a pair.

While I sincerely appreciate your generous offer, I'm not quite that
narcissistic.

Peter Duniho wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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To be fair, that blog-site does contain aviation training related
articles, and generally seems to promote becoming a pilot.

I don't care how useful it is. If the publisher has to lie just to get
people to see it, it's not deserving of any attention whatsoever.

where did i lie? I just left out information.

where did i lie? I just left out information.

Leaving out strategic information is the same thing.

Jose
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The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

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where did i lie? I just left out information.

I quote:

"I just read some great articles on flying, [...]
Here is the linky

http://www.aviation-pilot-supplies.com/"

You didn't "just read". You are the author of the web site itself, and you
are promoting a web site that is commercial in nature (filled with
advertising, and links prominently to an online pilot shop).

The web site wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the advertisements, and
the only reason you posted the link was in an attempt to drive traffic there
to increase your own profit. Furthermore, you were not even honest about
the nature of the web site, falsely implying that you happened across the
web site, rather than were the author yourself.

Frankly, there isn't a single aspect of your post and your behavior that
doesn't scream out "slimeball".

"Where did I lie?", indeed. Where *didn't* you lie? I guess you gave the
correct URL. But you didn't "just read" the articles, I *don't* have to
bookmark the site, and it's *not* awesome.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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The web site wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the advertisements,

Neither would the AOPA site, probably.

Chalk it up as aggressive self-promotion in a world where, sometimes, that's
the only way you can get ahead. What flight school doesn't advertise, and
what advertisement doesn't spin the information to shed the best possible
light on its subject?

As a UNIX admin for a major network provider, I fight spam for a living as
part of my job, so I'm not out here making excuses for it. I think that the
articles would be interesting for beginning pilots and it's no more
commercially-oriented than the AOPA and other websites.

The subject was topical and honest (you can get articles on flying), the
website doesn't require a fee to access the articles, you're not hit with
pop-ups or other things, and the ads are just a sidebar. The only area of
concern are the tiny links that require you to register to read the
articles;
that is quite often a means of harvesting and reselling targetted e-mail
addresses. (If you register to an aviation website, your e-mail address is
valuable for mass-mailers because they know when the e-mail address was
entered--"freshness"--and they know your hobby or interest, which can be
used for a number of things.)

That's a little problematic, but, on the other hand, considering the sheer
amount of friggin' insurance policy junkmail I have to deal with from the
AOPA...


-c

But the legit sites don't spam. There are web hosts that
run seminars on Internet marketing that teach suckers to use
newsgroups as advertising.


"gatt" wrote in message
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|
| "Peter Duniho" wrote in
message
| ...
|
| The web site wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the
advertisements,
|
| Neither would the AOPA site, probably.
|
| Chalk it up as aggressive self-promotion in a world where,
sometimes, that's
| the only way you can get ahead. What flight school
doesn't advertise, and
| what advertisement doesn't spin the information to shed
the best possible
| light on its subject?
|
| As a UNIX admin for a major network provider, I fight spam
for a living as
| part of my job, so I'm not out here making excuses for it.
I think that the
| articles would be interesting for beginning pilots and
it's no more
| commercially-oriented than the AOPA and other websites.
|
| The subject was topical and honest (you can get articles
on flying), the
| website doesn't require a fee to access the articles,
you're not hit with
| pop-ups or other things, and the ads are just a sidebar.
The only area of
| concern are the tiny links that require you to register to
read the
| articles;
| that is quite often a means of harvesting and reselling
targetted e-mail
| addresses. (If you register to an aviation website, your
e-mail address is
| valuable for mass-mailers because they know when the
e-mail address was
| entered--"freshness"--and they know your hobby or
interest, which can be
| used for a number of things.)
|
| That's a little problematic, but, on the other hand,
considering the sheer
| amount of friggin' insurance policy junkmail I have to
deal with from the
| AOPA...
|
|
| -c
|
|

Listen, i made the website to help General Aviation, i started it about
one month ago, and my purpose was to infrom students that they did have
a choice when it came to finding an instructor, or a school for that
matter (part 61 or 141). The ads are just there as a mean to make a
little bit of money (CTR is bad regardless). AOPA has been charging
all the pilots for open source information. I will never because an
AOPA member, they can send me all the emails and direct mail they want,
they will never get my money. I am just trying to organize the
aviation infomation bacause i feel that i need to, i will give you some
examples.

Landings.com is a great site, but man that site is a mess, how can i
ever find some with all the ads, and horrible text format.

AOPA is a good site, but like i said they charge ppl for information.

Aviations Jobs - when was that last time you came across a job site
that didn't charge you to become a member.

The Aviation Industry is draining us pilots, charging for everything
and anything, and then they pay us crap. I think that BS. An
instructor getting paid $9HR. What is that. An airline pilot making
$28,000 a yr if that. This instructries is Fu*ked up, and i am going
to do everything i can to make it better. Human Knowledge belongs to
the world.

So if you would like to be a part of this, please feel free to email
me. If you think i should remove the ads, i will.

Jim Macklin wrote:
But the legit sites don't spam. There are web hosts that
run seminars on Internet marketing that teach suckers to use
newsgroups as advertising.



I not sure where you see that you have to register to read the art. I
Don't have that enable, and i don't need your email address to spam
anyone. I don't spam!!

"gatt" wrote in message
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The web site wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the advertisements,

Neither would the AOPA site, probably.

But they don't post messages lying about their relationship to their web
site either.

Chalk it up as aggressive self-promotion in a world where, sometimes,
that's the only way you can get ahead.

You live in a world where you have to lie to get ahead?

Sorry, but I don't live in that world. I feel sorry for anyone who does.

What flight school doesn't advertise, and what advertisement doesn't spin
the information to shed the best possible light on its subject?

What flight school posts here pretending to have found a web site with
useful information, when in fact the web site is actually their own?

As a UNIX admin for a major network provider, I fight spam for a living as
part of my job, so I'm not out here making excuses for it. I think that
the articles would be interesting for beginning pilots and it's no more
commercially-oriented than the AOPA and other websites.

I have a MUCH smaller problem with the advertising than I do with the lying.
The only other thing the guy has posted here are messages that could be
construed as more marketing (a classic marketing technique is to develop
interest in the products you're selling by pretending to have an interest
yourself), and those were only recent, at the same time he posted his
advertisement. But, had he been truthful about his relationship to the web
site he's advertising, I think we all could have given him the benefit of
the doubt (I would have).

The subject was topical and honest (you can get articles on flying), the
website doesn't require a fee to access the articles, you're not hit with
pop-ups or other things, and the ads are just a sidebar.

There are ads after each and every article.

The only area of concern are the tiny links that require you to register
to read the articles;

A requirement to register just to read articles is a HUGE problem,
especially on a little no-name blog like that. It just emphasizes that what
the person really wants you to see are the ads, not the articles.

[...]
That's a little problematic, but, on the other hand, considering the sheer
amount of friggin' insurance policy junkmail I have to deal with from the
AOPA...

AOPA is paying out of their own budget to send you the junk mail, and they
aren't trying to hide their motives when they send it to you.

Pete

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So if you would like to be a part of this, please feel free to email
me. If you think i should remove the ads, i will.

You are completely missing the point.

The problem isn't the ads per se. They are simply the underlying motive
that shows why you felt a need to lie about the nature of your relationship
to the web site. The real problem is that you lied about the nature of your
relationship to the web site.

Writing articles takes time. Making them available on a web site costs
money (even if it's only a small amount). More power to the blogger who can
defray his costs by including unobtrusive ads in their web site. I've got
nothing against that.

Had you posted something like "I've written some articles in my blog that I
think would be of interest to you all, here's the link", that would've been
okay, even with the ads (especially if you acknowledged the web site is
ad-supported). But the moment you misrepresent the true nature of the site,
you've crossed the line to unacceptable behavior.

Pete