How many pilots are using technology

Roger wrote:

I've always been an "Early Adopter" when I could afford it and my
degree and profession are in computer science. Having said that I use
a portable GPS and even fly IFR using it. I also have RNAV in the
panel. The rest of the stuff is "gadgets" to me. If I can bring the
charts up on the panel (moving map display and approach charts) that
is fine, but costs too much and I'd not abandon paper charts for VFR,
Enroute, or approach. The GPS makes flying much easier. Having the
approach charts on GPS is even finer, but again I'd never give up the
paper as its batteries never die although they do fly out the door
seal once in a while.

Your batteries fly out the door seal? You must have that new really,
really thin battery technology! :-)


Matt

Chris W wrote:

Private wrote:

It is an old joke, but the answer is that; 'we will see the paper-less
cockpit (and office) the same day we have a paper-less bathroom.'

ISTM that computer usage has resulted in more paper and not less.


While it is true that computers have resulted in more, not less, paper
being used, a paper-less office is very possible (depending on the
business). One of the reasons computers initially generated more paper,
is because of the larger amount of data they could provide, and the fact
that few had the computers on their desk. Not to mention that the
monitors were small and very low resolution. Today a paper-less office
is not hard to achieve with a little effort. However, I wouldn't even
consider having a paper-less cockpit. I also wouldn't want a
computer-less cockpit either though.

True, but paper is still the most reliable form of long-term storage.
Every electronic or optical medium developed thus far deteriorates with
age at a much faster rate than does paper.


Matt

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Icebound wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
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... A computer can display a page as nice as paper but it may take
longer to access the information.



No it cannot.

Yes it can.


http://www.arinc.com/news/2006/07-23-06.html

If that is using the technology I think it is it is really kind of neat. It
uses almost no battery power except when it redraws the page.

Every electronic or optical medium developed thus far deteriorates with age at a much faster rate than does paper.

.... and the most important "aging" effects is from the software. I have
plenty of documents I can no longer read because the software is
incompatible with today's versions, and the old software is incompatible
with today's hardware, and the old hardware no longer works.

Jose
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:20:52 -0500, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

If that is using the technology I think it is it is really kind of neat.
It uses almost no battery power except when it redraws the page.

One of the stated advantages is:

Based on new “persistent display� technology, the screen requires
very little power and no backlighting. The display can run during long
hours of flight over several days on a single charge.

That's pretty impressive. At least during an approach (ie. no chart
changing), one isn't likely to lose the plate due to a power failure.

I also liked:

The “electronic paper� screen also captures and stores handwritten
notes from pilots using the stylus.

which is another common difference between paper and computer displays.

- Andrew

On 2006-07-27, Jose wrote:
Every electronic or optical medium developed thus far deteriorates with age at a much faster rate than does paper.

... and the most important "aging" effects is from the software. I have
plenty of documents I can no longer read because the software is
incompatible with today's versions, and the old software is incompatible
with today's hardware, and the old hardware no longer works.

If the documents are underneat not encrypted, and not in any weird
character set, it is possible to recover them without too much
difficulty (although the formatting will be gone).

I suspect non-proprietary formats though (such as jpg or png for images)
will have a much longer shelf life than proprietary document formats.

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If the documents are underneat not encrypted, and not in any weird
character set, it is possible to recover them without too much
difficulty (although the formatting will be gone).

Yes, I've managed to extract the text of the ones I need, however, there
are text fragments scattered throughout, which may be updates ("quick
saves"), to the solid text parts, which would be older versions.

Jose
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:19:44 GMT, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Roger wrote:

I've always been an "Early Adopter" when I could afford it and my
degree and profession are in computer science. Having said that I use
a portable GPS and even fly IFR using it. I also have RNAV in the
panel. The rest of the stuff is "gadgets" to me. If I can bring the
charts up on the panel (moving map display and approach charts) that
is fine, but costs too much and I'd not abandon paper charts for VFR,
Enroute, or approach. The GPS makes flying much easier. Having the
approach charts on GPS is even finer, but again I'd never give up the
paper as its batteries never die although they do fly out the door
seal once in a while.

Your batteries fly out the door seal? You must have that new really,
really thin battery technology! :-)

Yah ever take a look at the gap under a Cherokee 180's door without
the rubber seal?:-))

But yes, the batteries in the paper charts are really thin and never
go dead. Unfortunately they don't handle water well.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Matt
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:

Yah ever take a look at the gap under a Cherokee 180's door without
the rubber seal?:-))

It can happen with a door seal too. The door hardware gets old and
bent and the gaps can be there even with a seal. I'm planning on
redoing my hardware and rehanging the door because I found a gap at the
bottom of the door that I didn't know was there.

I was on the first test flight with my new engine and my IA handed me
the break-in instructions just before takeoff for a 45 min. orbit over
the field. Once I got to altitude, I grabbed the sheet and laid it on
the passenger seat for reference. 2 seconds later, right before my
eyes, the sheet vanished without a sound. Apparently, I had a gap on
the bottom side of the door. Fortunately, I'd already memorized the
instructions.

I was just hoping that the sheet didn't float down and land in front
of my IA. He might have taken it personally :-))

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)
Flying site : http://www.johngalban.com/

On 27 Jul 2006 20:58:17 -0700, "John Galban"
wrote:


Roger wrote:

Yah ever take a look at the gap under a Cherokee 180's door without
the rubber seal?:-))

It can happen with a door seal too. The door hardware gets old and

Many years ago I was on a cross country in a Cherokee 180 about 100
miles from home. I had just checked the ATIS frequency on the chart,
laid the chart on the passenger seat and was setting in the frequency.
I saw movement, I grabbed, heard a loud snap and found I was still
holding the corner (bout a 6" piece) of what had been a new chart.
That whole opened chart shot out under that door like a flash.

It's almost impossible to get lost in Lower Michigan due to the
geography unless you are flying really low, but there are gunnery and
bombing ranges it'd be a good idea to avoid.:-)) Living here, I know
where they are.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
bent and the gaps can be there even with a seal. I'm planning on
redoing my hardware and rehanging the door because I found a gap at the
bottom of the door that I didn't know was there.

I was on the first test flight with my new engine and my IA handed me
the break-in instructions just before takeoff for a 45 min. orbit over
the field. Once I got to altitude, I grabbed the sheet and laid it on
the passenger seat for reference. 2 seconds later, right before my
eyes, the sheet vanished without a sound. Apparently, I had a gap on
the bottom side of the door. Fortunately, I'd already memorized the
instructions.

I was just hoping that the sheet didn't float down and land in front
of my IA. He might have taken it personally :-))

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)
Flying site : http://www.johngalban.com/
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com