Am I the only person at Oshkosh without wheels?

I think it would be a good rule, all vehicle drivers need to
be licensed pilots or have a state issued drivers' license.
Just the fact that there are some complaints means there is
an issue. Anyway, I'm waiting to hear from Tom P.


"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote in
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| "Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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| There were actually fewer support vehicles this year.
If it weren't for them there would be no OSH. Give
| volunteering a try and you might understand the need a
little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18 (can't
| remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9
days at OSH I can't say I ever saw the rule violated.
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| I second Dave's observation. Although they were plenty of
them, I didn't think there were as many in the two
| previous years I'd attended... especially 1999.
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
y.com...

There were actually fewer support vehicles this year. If it weren't for
them there would be no OSH. Give volunteering a try and you might
understand the need a little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18
(can't remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9 days at OSH
I
can't say I ever saw the rule violated.

If they were to put a number in large enough sizes on the front and rear
of
the vehicle, a person could make a complaint about the number vehicle and
the time. A phone number to call would need to be posted on the vehicle
or
around the grounds. They should be able to check who the vehicle was
signed
out to, and take action, if a number of complaints were lodged about a
certain vehicle.

I can't believe that this has never happened before.
--
Jim in NC


If there were really a problem something would be done.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
y.com...

There were actually fewer support vehicles this year. If it weren't for
them there would be no OSH. Give volunteering a try and you might
understand the need a little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18
(can't remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9 days at OSH
I
can't say I ever saw the rule violated.

If they were to put a number in large enough sizes on the front and rear of
the vehicle, a person could make a complaint about the number vehicle and
the time. A phone number to call would need to be posted on the vehicle or
around the grounds. They should be able to check who the vehicle was signed
out to, and take action, if a number of complaints were lodged about a
certain vehicle.

I can't believe that this has never happened before.
--
Jim in NC

"Dave Stadt" wrote

If there were really a problem something would be done.

Yea, I have to agree. I, at times, have been a person with a gator or cart.
I was always patient, and let people move at their own speed, and get out of
my way without any urging from me. Sometimes, it is amazing that people
don't care to move, even it would only involve about three steps out of
their way. Nevertheless....

I really can't recall seeing anyone else being dangerous. Yes, when you
were on a road, and there was room, punch it!

I don't doubt that there are a very few volunteers somewhere that got
impatient, or were in a hurry, and made someone feel uncomfortable. I still
believe they are the exception, rather than the rule.
--
Jim in NC

Dave Stadt wrote:

If there were really a problem something would be done.


Sometimes it's not a "problem" until somebody gets hurt, and all of a
sudden "legal" has to get involved.

I volunteer in a medical capacity with one of the largest and richest
rodeos in the world, and the "golf cart" problem was unchecked until
last year (when, you guessed it.. someone got run over). This years
show, there were "no cart zones" and designated "cart paths that were
explicitly designed to separate the carts from the people. Violators
were considered to have been warned during orientation and cart
operators had their priveledges yanked on first offense. We had signs up
of all the affected areas in ALL the committee workspaces and on flyers
inside every vehicle. The officers and other big wigs were not exempt.

For an event this size, there should be "cart runs" that are separate
from the people.. or separate from non wheeled vehicles. These paths
should be made with minimal disruption of the flow of the show, and
should be on the "back" side of things wherever possible. I know that is
a tad more difficult at OSH due to the layout, but it can be done.. We
are talking about a path that is the wingspan of one plane.. less than
one parking space per row of planes.

The only vehicles that have a reason to go INTO the crowd are medical
and law enforcement. Everyone else should be given a path AROUND the crowd.

Dave

"Dave S" wrote

For an event this size, there should be "cart runs" that are separate
from the people.. or separate from non wheeled vehicles. These paths
should be made with minimal disruption of the flow of the show, and
should be on the "back" side of things wherever possible. I know that is
a tad more difficult at OSH due to the layout, but it can be done.. We
are talking about a path that is the wingspan of one plane.. less than
one parking space per row of planes.

The only vehicles that have a reason to go INTO the crowd are medical
and law enforcement. Everyone else should be given a path AROUND the
crowd.

The biggest problem with doing that would not be controlling cart traffic.
It is the people. People walk EVERYWHERE except down the taxiway and Knapp
street, and even then, people still walk down Knapp street, even with a
sidewalk right next to it. Go figure.
--
Jim in NC

I wholeheartedly agree that there was a problem this year on the
perimeter road around the north 40. I am one of the volunteers out on
the Flight line for general aviation parking and camping and noticed
cars going 45 (!) on the road around 9-27 with people everywhere.

Totally unacceptable. I brought it up with the powers that be, and the
police/security were going to patrol on a more frequent basis. The last
thing anyone wants is to survive the Green/Rush lake holds, and then
Fisk, only to be clocked by a car on the flight line!!!

Those of us in Flight Line Operations around 9-27 were making a
conscious effort to be good, but we spend most of our time on the grass
and hard surface taxiways anyway, out of everyones way in cars.

I agree there was a problem. There seems to be a significant increase
in the number of cars on the field in the last few years.
Anybody from EAA should give way to a pedestrian regardless, but there
are people from every organization under the sun on the field, and
regulating them is impossible, except to enforce the 15mph speed limit
by the police and security.

I hope that it doesn't take a tragedy to help fix the problem.
We are better than that.

Ryan Wubben
Co-Chairman, EAA Flight Line Operations

wrote in message ups.com...
:I wholeheartedly agree that there was a problem this year on the
: perimeter road around the north 40. I am one of the volunteers out on
: the Flight line for general aviation parking and camping and noticed
: cars going 45 (!) on the road around 9-27 with people everywhere.
:
....snip
:
: I hope that it doesn't take a tragedy to help fix the problem.
: We are better than that.
:
: Ryan Wubben
: Co-Chairman, EAA Flight Line Operations
:

I agree, it was not so much the number, but the speed of the vehicles that was the problem in my eyes. Some were going
pretty fast...

Jim Macklin wrote:

I certainly will post his reply. He should reply to a Life
member sending complaints from a number of people.

Yes, he should reply and he probably will reply.

What he really should do is address the problem, and I'll bet that
doesn't happen.


Matt

Morgans wrote:

"Dave Stadt" wrote

If there were really a problem something would be done.


Yea, I have to agree. I, at times, have been a person with a gator or cart.
I was always patient, and let people move at their own speed, and get out of
my way without any urging from me. Sometimes, it is amazing that people
don't care to move, even it would only involve about three steps out of
their way. Nevertheless....

I really can't recall seeing anyone else being dangerous. Yes, when you
were on a road, and there was room, punch it!

I don't doubt that there are a very few volunteers somewhere that got
impatient, or were in a hurry, and made someone feel uncomfortable. I still
believe they are the exception, rather than the rule.

It seems like they could cordone off a "main road" through the area and
have it exclusively for the vehicles and not allow any pedestrians. And
then not allow any vehicles in the other areas that are for pedestrians.


Matt