Am I the only person at Oshkosh without wheels?

..Blueskies. wrote:
wrote in message ups.com...
:I wholeheartedly agree that there was a problem this year on the
: perimeter road around the north 40. I am one of the volunteers out on
: the Flight line for general aviation parking and camping and noticed
: cars going 45 (!) on the road around 9-27 with people everywhere.
:
...snip
:
: I hope that it doesn't take a tragedy to help fix the problem.
: We are better than that.
:
: Ryan Wubben
: Co-Chairman, EAA Flight Line Operations
:

I agree, it was not so much the number, but the speed of the vehicles that was the problem in my eyes. Some were going
pretty fast...


Ditto. Not for nuthin' but I have a hearing impaired 8 year old and
that makes for some tense moments. At least he's been taught to be
careful on the road. Getting him to be ever vigilant of being run down
by a Gator trying to break the land speed record in the grass is
something I'm still working on.

Tom

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wrote in message
ups.com...
|I wholeheartedly agree that there was a problem this year
on the
| perimeter road around the north 40. I am one of the
volunteers out on
| the Flight line for general aviation parking and camping
and noticed
| cars going 45 (!) on the road around 9-27 with people
everywhere.
|
| Totally unacceptable. I brought it up with the powers that
be, and the
| police/security were going to patrol on a more frequent
basis. The last
| thing anyone wants is to survive the Green/Rush lake
holds, and then
| Fisk, only to be clocked by a car on the flight line!!!
|
| Those of us in Flight Line Operations around 9-27 were
making a
| conscious effort to be good, but we spend most of our time
on the grass
| and hard surface taxiways anyway, out of everyones way in
cars.
|
| I agree there was a problem. There seems to be a
significant increase
| in the number of cars on the field in the last few years.
| Anybody from EAA should give way to a pedestrian
regardless, but there
| are people from every organization under the sun on the
field, and
| regulating them is impossible, except to enforce the 15mph
speed limit
| by the police and security.
|
| I hope that it doesn't take a tragedy to help fix the
problem.
| We are better than that.
|
| Ryan Wubben
| Co-Chairman, EAA Flight Line Operations
|

In a previous article, "Jeff" jfranks1971 minus said:
have some gripes. Number one of those a Did anyone else notice a marked
increase in the number of vehicles running around the flightline?

While we're on the subject of transportation I'd like to talk about the
busses in the North 40 and Camp Scholler.

The shuttle busses in Camp Scholler suck - they're slow, they go on a very
indirect route, and they take too long to unload and load - most days I
walked rather than taking them. And in the North 40, it seems they're
always standing room only and all the standees have to get off and back on
every time somebody wants to get off. This is in marked contrast to the
trams on the grounds itself, which are frequent and take no time to load
and unload.

Why don't they run trams in the camp areas instead of busses?


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"If you get upset, emotional, or angry you are not dealing with the
emergency"
-- Rick Grant (quoting RCAF pilot training)

I will clarify. I think *THIS* year, the problem was more with vendors and
golf carts. The gators and the EAA golf carts all seemed to be relatively
sedate and courteous....and I would get out of their way. What got on my
nerves was the number of cars and minivans. Maybe I just hit it all at the
wrong time, but I entered the grounds from Camp Scholler behind the South
West Exhibit building. By the time I made it to the Cessna unveiling of
their LSA on Monday, I had already had to stop and move out of the way for 4
vehicles.

Again, maybe I'm just a magnet for them, but it definitely seemed worse this
year, IMHO.

jf


"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
y.com...

There were actually fewer support vehicles this year. If it weren't for
them there would be no OSH. Give volunteering a try and you might
understand the need a little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18
(can't remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9 days at OSH
I can't say I ever saw the rule violated.


"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote in message
...
I was able to get my family to OSH again this year (usually its a "guy's
trip"). We had a great time and enjoyed all parts. But, as usual, I do
have some gripes. Number one of those a Did anyone else notice a
marked increase in the number of vehicles running around the flightline?

I know that logistical trucks (ice, food, gas, trams, etc) should be
expected. But I was constantly having to get out of the way of someone
in a minivan, scooter, gator or golf cart. My daughter was almost ran
over by a 14 year old in a golf cart. What gives? To me, once the show
starts (this would exclude Sunday's setup day), the vendors shouldn't
need more transportation than the average joe.

I had figured that it was "just me", until I had some guy in a mini-van
honk at me as I was walking on Aeroshell Square. Needless to say, I
slowed down

Anyone else see this as a problem getting worse?

jf

"Jeff" jfranks1971 minus wrote in message
...
I will clarify. I think *THIS* year, the problem was more with vendors and
golf carts. The gators and the EAA golf carts all seemed to be relatively
sedate and courteous....and I would get out of their way. What got on my
nerves was the number of cars and minivans. Maybe I just hit it all at the
wrong time, but I entered the grounds from Camp Scholler behind the South
West Exhibit building. By the time I made it to the Cessna unveiling of
their LSA on Monday, I had already had to stop and move out of the way for
4 vehicles.

Again, maybe I'm just a magnet for them, but it definitely seemed worse
this year, IMHO.

jf

I'll agree with that. Most vendors are much less tollerant and less willing
to give pedestrians the right of way than are the volunteers.

In camp scholler, they actually had signs that said "only licensed
drivers allowed to operate motor vehicls". Seemed to help somewhat.

John

Dave Stadt wrote:
There were actually fewer support vehicles this year. If it weren't for
them there would be no OSH. Give volunteering a try and you might
understand the need a little better. The rule is no one under 16 or 18
(can't remember which) drives a vehicle. Just having spent 9 days at OSH I
can't say I ever saw the rule violated.


It is a whole lot better than a decade ago. It was almost impossible to
walk safely at show center with the pletora of cars (let along gators
and carts).

Dave Stadt wrote:


If there were really a problem something would be done.



There's fairy tale thinking... your kidding right??
Unless you define "problem", as an accident.

To me, it is a problem if there are complaints, or if people felt uneasy
about the traffic. I am sure some are very nice and understand they are
motoring through a crowd of hot people baking in the heat. If so, the
other end of the spectrum likely exists. And they should be delt with.
Or there will be bigger problems.

If some idiot is going to take away the ability for a child to walk for
two months and then walk in pain for the next seven months or maybe
longer. Incurr medical expenses and loss of lifestyle, what is that
worth. Or even to an adult? I am not a fan of the legal action and
accident litigations but sitting here thinking, "what would it be like",
makes me kinda angry to say the least. And who is responsible, the show,
the driver, or the parent of the driver, the company (vendor vehicle)?

"Jules" wrote in message
...


Dave Stadt wrote:


If there were really a problem something would be done.



There's fairy tale thinking... your kidding right??
Unless you define "problem", as an accident.

To me, it is a problem if there are complaints, or if people felt uneasy
about the traffic. I am sure some are very nice and understand they are
motoring through a crowd of hot people baking in the heat. If so, the
other end of the spectrum likely exists. And they should be delt with. Or
there will be bigger problems.

If some idiot is going to take away the ability for a child to walk for
two months and then walk in pain for the next seven months or maybe
longer. Incurr medical expenses and loss of lifestyle, what is that worth.
Or even to an adult? I am not a fan of the legal action and accident
litigations but sitting here thinking, "what would it be like", makes me
kinda angry to say the least. And who is responsible, the show, the
driver, or the parent of the driver, the company (vendor vehicle)?

How many out of 700,000 have complained? Without quantifying the problem by
actual incidents or number of people complaining it is all so much smoke.
Out of that many people you are going to get some complaints about any and
everything. Quantify the problem then come back and start a real
discussion.

Quantify the problem then come back and start a real discussion.


Well, for the purpose of debate, I would submit that our newsgroup could be
a good sample of the attendees. We have probably 50 people who regularly
post here? Of course, all of us are computer savvy enough to know what a
newsgroup is, but for the most part, you've got a good slice of the pie
represented.

So, if 10 of the 50 see this as a problem, wouldn't it hold true that 20% of
the 700,000 also found it (at least) irritating?

Then again, using this same method is how the Gay/Lesbian movement has
managed to convince America that 10% of all U.S. Citizens are
gay.....hrmmm....

Just a thought

jf