Jackson Hole TFR

Howard Nelson wrote:



And why can't the notam read this way. You know plain english for the great
unwashed. Sort of the same with fire season TFR's perhaps in addition to the
usual vor radial point and diameter they could provide a "plain english"
translation. And by the way given the known accuracy of vor radials and DME
measurements just how "accurate" are these TRF's.


The TFR is officially based on the lat/lon's given. The VOR radial/DME
is the plain english version.

And why can't the notam read this way. You know plain english for the great
unwashed. Sort of the same with fire season TFR's perhaps in addition to the
usual vor radial point and diameter they could provide a "plain english"
translation. And by the way given the known accuracy of vor radials and DME
measurements just how "accurate" are these TRF's.

Howard

Pilots are expected to be able to read and decipher METAR, TAF, and
NOTAM text, including reading the details about times that they are in
effect, which is clearly posted in the NOTAM.

The best way to deal with these NOTAMs is to grab a piece of paper, and
write down the pertinent information (such as the dates and times that
it is in effect) in a way that makes sense to you. Note that they are
going the extra mile in these NOTAMs now and publishing local times as
well as Zulu to make it easier on you... If you do this, you will
make yourself actually read the thing thoroughly enough to really
understand what it is saying.

Dean

Since we're talking about TFR anybody have any idea what this one is for?

LA.. FLIGHT RESTRICTION BARKSDALE AFB/SHREVEPORT, LA EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
UNTIL 0608182300 UTC (1800 LOCAL 08/18/06). PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION
99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN A 5 NMR OF
323006N/0933945W OR THE EMG324007.0 UP TO AND INCLUDING 12000 FT MSL. ALL
AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING AREA(S)
UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE DOMESTIC EVENTS
NETWORK (DEN) OR MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: A. MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT
OR AEROMEDICAL AIRCRAFT. B. KDTN ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES AUTHORIZED BY ATC.
C. IFR OPERATIONS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. WIE UNTIL UFN

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Since we're talking about TFR anybody have any idea what this one is for?

LA.. FLIGHT RESTRICTION BARKSDALE AFB/SHREVEPORT, LA EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
UNTIL 0608182300 UTC (1800 LOCAL 08/18/06). PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION
99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN A 5 NMR OF
323006N/0933945W OR THE EMG324007.0 UP TO AND INCLUDING 12000 FT MSL. ALL
AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING AREA(S)
UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE DOMESTIC EVENTS
NETWORK (DEN) OR MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: A. MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT
OR AEROMEDICAL AIRCRAFT. B. KDTN ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES AUTHORIZED BY ATC.
C. IFR OPERATIONS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. WIE UNTIL UFN




Someone playing with the nukes and moving em out/relocating em?

Barksdale is a B52 base.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:50:02 GMT, Dave S
wrote:
Barksdale is a B52 base.

They still have any A-10s located there? I seem to remember the
periodic flight of A-10s coming across I-20 at low level...

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:51:30 -0600, Newps wrote:
The TFR is officially based on the lat/lon's given. The VOR radial/DME
is the plain english version.

You call that *plain English*? grin

Come on folks, we're not in the teletype days anymore, you don't have
to write everything in all caps... Multiple paragraphs might be nice
also...

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_6_6761.html

Definitely more readable...

I gave up punch cards a *long* time ago... I don't need to read things
in all caps anymore...

The interesting thing to me is that these TFR's seemingly have never
blocked a law firm from meeting their client, or cost a corporation a
contract because their representative was blocked out by a TFR...
I have been waiting for that day when a law firm with the means and the
will gets shut out and decides to sue the FAA/DOT/HSA for damages... A
federal judge has just ruled that the President constitutionally does
not have the right to wire tap the citizenry without court approval and
ordered him to stop... (hint to law firm: that might just be the court
to sue in) My belief is that the uncompensated taking of public
airspace every time some elected scumbag decides to go somewhere is not
sustainable if challenged by someone with the ability to fight it all
the way to the Brethern... Same argument on permanent temporary flight
restrictions...

denny

"Dave S" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Since we're talking about TFR anybody have any idea what this one is for?

LA.. FLIGHT RESTRICTION BARKSDALE AFB/SHREVEPORT, LA EFFECTIVE
IMMEDIATELY UNTIL 0608182300 UTC (1800 LOCAL 08/18/06). PURSUANT TO TITLE
14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN A
5 NMR OF 323006N/0933945W OR THE EMG324007.0 UP TO AND INCLUDING 12000 FT
MSL. ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING
AREA(S) UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE
DOMESTIC EVENTS NETWORK (DEN) OR MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: A.
MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT OR AEROMEDICAL AIRCRAFT. B. KDTN ARRIVALS AND
DEPARTURES AUTHORIZED BY ATC. C. IFR OPERATIONS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. WIE
UNTIL UFN


Someone playing with the nukes and moving em out/relocating em?

Barksdale is a B52 base.

That's kind of what I thought but I've never seen such a TFR for the area
before.

"Grumman-581" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:50:02 GMT, Dave S
wrote:
Barksdale is a B52 base.

They still have any A-10s located there? I seem to remember the
periodic flight of A-10s coming across I-20 at low level...

Yep the 917th is a composite wing which operates both the A-10A Thunderbolt
II and the B-52H Stratofortress.

Well, we flew in. What a spectacular flight once you hit western South
Dakota, flew just south of Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse, the Big Horn
mtns in WY, and then over the mountains in the Bridger-Teton national
forest northeast of Jackson Hole.
The fire TFR east of Jackson Hole ended up causing us more of a
headache (or was it the hypoxia...?) then Cheney's TFR.
The TFR for the airport is truly for when he comes and goes, so that
didn't affect us fortunately. And sure enough, there was a very
official looking 737-800 sitting on the ramp with lots of bored looking
security staff hanging about.

Lots of turbines (parked two deep on the ramp). Not so much piston, but
parked next to us was a Taylorcraft! I'd prefer not to be in that on a
hot day lumbering out of that valley.
The FBO folks were still very cordial despite our lack of turbines.

Thanks for all the responses.

Ryan in Madison (well, not right now)