$640.00 to fill the tanks...

Jose wrote:

Yes, C is great for those who don't much care about the quality of
their software, which, unfortunately, is the preponderance of
programmers.


C is great for those who care a lot about the quality of their own work,
and therefore don't rely on the language to catch them.

Wow, I've never heard that excuse before ... not. Any skilled
tradesperson or professional will use better tools when they are
available. Programmers are one of the few professions that don't. I
honestly have tried to figure this out, as have many others, but I'm
still stumped.

Matt

Any skilled tradesperson or professional will use better tools when they are available. Programmers are one of the few professions that don't.

Maybe it's because programmers think they know what they're doing, and
like the flexibility of a language that lets them discover the lie
themselves.

Jose
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Jose wrote:
Any skilled tradesperson or professional will use better tools when
they are available. Programmers are one of the few professions that
don't.


Maybe it's because programmers think they know what they're doing, and
like the flexibility of a language that lets them discover the lie
themselves.

That's as good a theory as any I've heard. I'm constantly amazed when I
hear (still!) about security breaches and other errors caused by
overruning of array boundaries and similar errors that were eliminated
20+ years ago in many languages yet which soldier on in C. Yes, I'm
aware of tools like Lint and such made to combat this, but many folks
still don't use such tools.


Matt

"Jose" wrote in message
et...
And something better would be? would have been?

C is better than FORTRAN. Maybe something like C would have been
developed sooner if FORTRAN compilers didn't get so good.

Anything is better than HTML. Of course "better" depends on the use to
which it is put, and HTML is not really being put to the uses it was
intended for. Not being an expert in the internet, I don't have much to
offer as an improvement, but I know a kludge when I see it.

Jose

I'm not an internet expert either but everybody knows that the downfall of
HTML was the creation of the [Flash] tag.

In a previous article, Matt Whiting said:
Jose wrote:
C is great for those who care a lot about the quality of their own work,
and therefore don't rely on the language to catch them.

Wow, I've never heard that excuse before ... not. Any skilled
tradesperson or professional will use better tools when they are
available. Programmers are one of the few professions that don't. I
honestly have tried to figure this out, as have many others, but I'm
still stumped.

You know who else are stumped? Carpenters who wanted to catch their own
mistakes rather than having safety guards on their saws.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Every computer crashes, because every OS sucks"
- Three Dead Trolls In A Baggie, "Every OS Sucks" http://www.deadtroll.com/

Matt Whiting wrote:
Jose wrote:

Yes, C is great for those who don't much care about the quality of
their software, which, unfortunately, is the preponderance of
programmers.


C is great for those who care a lot about the quality of their own work,
and therefore don't rely on the language to catch them.

Wow, I've never heard that excuse before ... not. Any skilled
tradesperson or professional will use better tools when they are
available. Programmers are one of the few professions that don't. I
honestly have tried to figure this out, as have many others, but I'm
still stumped.

C/C++ is the NDB of the programming world.

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 06:24:19 -0400, Bob Noel
wrote:
yeah - C is a wonderful programming language for critical software.

not.

Well, it requires the developer to be competent... I don't necessarily
think that this is a *bad* thing... There is too many
fill-in-the-blank 'programmers' out there today... They can draw the
pretty little user interfaces and fill in the code behind the
callbacks from the buttons and such, but they're not *real*
programmers...

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:34:35 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:
Real Programmers...
snip

Yep, that one has been around for a *long* time in various flavors...

http://grumman581.googlepages.com/real-programmers

Of course, it's true...

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:38:56 GMT, Jose
wrote:
C is great for those who care a lot about the quality of their own work,
and therefore don't rely on the language to catch them.

Correct... 'C' is all about personal responsibility... A trait sadly
lacking in many people these days...

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:26:58 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:
I'm not an internet expert either but everybody knows that the downfall of
HTML was the creation of the [Flash] tag.

The Navy does not allow Flash on any of the machines on their networks
due to security concerns... I don't allow it on any of my machines
either... If a company has a site that requires flash, I send them an
email voicing my concerns and thanking them for the priviledge of
being allowed to do business with their non-Flash enabled
competitors...