Crashing on takeoff... how odd

Emily wrote:
wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

You are assuming that all such crashes are due to partial power loss.
Isn't so. One
airplane crash on takeoff a few years ago was due to a problem with
the elevator trim, if I
recall correctly. Also, a weight and balance issue can cause a crash
right after takeoff as
can myriad other problems not related to power.



Well, why then do you guys dread an engine failure more than anything
else?


I wasn't aware that we did. I fear the tail or a wing falling off MUCH
more than an engine failure. If the engines quit, at least the plane
will still fly, most of the time.

That and aft CG. With an engine failure, I still have a lot to do and
much is still in my control. With an out of limit aft CG, there is
little that can be done and you have too much time to contemplate your fate.

Matt

Judah wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote in news:OurIg.777$Db4.98462
@news1.epix.net:


Judah wrote:


Matt Whiting wrote in
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If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?


On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct runway?

Doesn't matter. It is up to us as pilots to be familiar with all
available information prior to our flight. That includes the length of
runway required for takeoff and the lengths of the runways at the
airports we are using.


I agree with you. I was simply asking why you assumed that he was cleared for
the correct runway.

I didn't. I said if he was. I think the likelihood is that he was as
I've rarely been cleared to an incorrect runway so I think the odds of
that are small, but not zero hence the "if" in my statement.

Matt

"john smith" wrote in message
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All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for it,
but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Having said that, I wonder if they are given credit for using the sim to
fullfil this requirement in these days of high level simulators?

When was this regulation put into effect? It wasn't there in ~1980 I was a
gate agent here at ELD when Skyways started flying in to the airport. For
the first month with few exceptions when those Metroliners came in it was
the first time the crew had ever been to that airport.

john smith wrote
All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for
it, but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

PROVING FLIGHTS....but that does not include ALL Pilots.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

B A R R Y wrote

john smith wrote:

All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization
flights into and out of any airport they intend to serve several
times without passengers before they begin passenger service. (There
is a term for it, but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Does it count if the one of the two flight deck crewmembers has been
there, or do both require familiarization?

Notice that John said "aircarriers" not pilots. Pilots are not
required to have previous entries into an airport.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

Regardless of compass/DG, aren't there other indicators, such as:

- runway lights turning from white to amber
- runway distance countdown markers
- runway end lights (red bars), especially since the viz was 8SM.

This is definitely one that should be discussed and analyzed to prevent
future occurence.

("Richard Riley" wrote)
And I know of 2 airplanes that have crashed on takeoff due to cross-rigged
controls.


I have not been this upset about something in a long, long time.

http://www.airportjournals.com/displ...Dallas/0608015
Story about the Spectrum 33 crash.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...31X01059&key=1
NTSB preliminary report


Montblack
http://www.uiowa.edu/~ucs/griefloss.html
I'm stuck in the "Anger" phase!

What Dave said. Controllers are no longer liable for failure to catch
erroneous readbacks.

Bob Gardner

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
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The PIC is not the only party responsible- for example, if given a heading
or other instruction and the pilot reads it back incorrectly, the ATC
controller will also held responsible for not catching the error on the
read back.

Lots of media indications that the lighting systems were not operating at
full capability, and that pilots had been informed of that (by NOTAM, I
would assume).

Bob Gardner

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ps.com...
Regardless of compass/DG, aren't there other indicators, such as:

- runway lights turning from white to amber
- runway distance countdown markers
- runway end lights (red bars), especially since the viz was 8SM.

This is definitely one that should be discussed and analyzed to prevent
future occurence.

But does airnav.com know what effect the recent construction activity had on
the lights?

Bob Gardner

wrote in message
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Accorind to airnav both runways have lights...

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KLEX


The 22 has better lights, but both 22 and 26 have lights.

Paul