CRJ crash at KLEX:

"Jose" wrote in message
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Why would anyone accept a clearance for immediate takeoff, taxi onto the
runway, and then tell the tower a moment on the runway was needed?

Perhaps they discovered something (potentially fatal) in the interim?


You don't believe the reason given by the submitter?

Emily wrote:

Of course, but how many times have you made a mistake that but for blind
luck DIDN'T kill you? Having known pilots that have killed more than 49
people, I guess I can just stop blaming and be grateful that it's never
happened to me. It only takes one small mistake and that's you all over
the news.

Emily, knowing what you know today (29 Aug 2006) and if both of those
Comair pilots were alive, would you rather fly with them on a CRJ or
me in my RV-6A?

Ron Lee

Steven P. McNicoll wrote in message
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"Emily" wrote in message
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Have you ever been in a two person crew, on an early morning flight, in
the weather conditions at LEX?


What were the weather conditions at LEX at the time?

Mostly dark (for George Carlin fans). Per the weather service:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KLEX.html

This will be available until wed. am.

- Rick

"raduray" wrote in message
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What no one has mentioned in this thread is the report that the lights
for 26 were not on. That visual cue screams that you're on the wrong
runway, particularly pre-dawn. If that's indeed the case, it would
speak to negligence. I wonder what they were doing/thinking.


It wasn't pre-dawn. The preliminary NTSB data online gives the time of the
incident as 6:07 EDT. An online calculator gives the time of sunrise at
KLEX on that date as 6:04:37 AM.

Why would anyone accept a clearance for immediate takeoff, taxi onto the
runway, and then tell the tower a moment on the runway was needed?
Perhaps they discovered something (potentially fatal) in the interim?
You don't believe the reason given by the submitter?

What reason? And why does it matter? You asked a general question. In
any case:

Narrative
ACFT WAS CLRED FOR IMMEDIATE TKOF (TFC INSIDE THE MARKER) ON RWY 22. WE
TAXIED ONTO RWY AND TOLD TWR WE NEEDED A MOMENT TO CHK OUR DEP ROUTING
WITH OUR WX RADAR (STORMS IN THE AREA, RAINING AT THE ARPT).

Nothing here precludes discovering something (potentially fatal) which
would warrant the request. Maybe that something =should= have been
discovered prior, but that's besides the point.

"Wait a moment - those storms are to the right of us, not the left. Our
clearance is 'turn right heading 280...' - let me check and make sure
we're still ok."

Jose
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"Rick" wrote in message
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Mostly dark (for George Carlin fans).


Did it not happen moments after sunrise?



Per the weather service:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KLEX.html

This will be available until wed. am.


Thanks. The observation taken 13 minutes prior shows six miles visibility,
markings and signage should have been quite readable.

"Jose" wrote in message
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What reason?


To check the departure routing with their weather radar.



And why does it matter?


You tell me. The submitter gave his reason, you suggested the real reason
might have been something potentially fatal discovered in the interim. Why
do you think that?



You asked a general question. In any case:

Narrative
ACFT WAS CLRED FOR IMMEDIATE TKOF (TFC INSIDE THE MARKER) ON RWY 22. WE
TAXIED ONTO RWY AND TOLD TWR WE NEEDED A MOMENT TO CHK OUR DEP ROUTING
WITH OUR WX RADAR (STORMS IN THE AREA, RAINING AT THE ARPT).

Nothing here precludes discovering something (potentially fatal) which
would warrant the request. Maybe that something =should= have been
discovered prior, but that's besides the point.

"Wait a moment - those storms are to the right of us, not the left. Our
clearance is 'turn right heading 280...' - let me check and make sure
we're still ok."


What do you suppose the controller's response will be?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Mostly dark (for George Carlin fans).


Did it not happen moments after sunrise?


About one hour prior to sunrise.

Ron Lee

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"raduray" wrote in message
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What no one has mentioned in this thread is the report that the lights
for 26 were not on. That visual cue screams that you're on the wrong
runway, particularly pre-dawn. If that's indeed the case, it would
speak to negligence. I wonder what they were doing/thinking.


It wasn't pre-dawn. The preliminary NTSB data online gives the time of the
incident as 6:07 EDT. An online calculator gives the time of sunrise at
KLEX on that date as 6:04:37 AM.


I just checked with web site for the Weather Channel and it shows
sunrise at being at 7:06 today. Was your on line calculator using GMT?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:


"raduray" wrote in message
roups.com...

What no one has mentioned in this thread is the report that the lights
for 26 were not on. That visual cue screams that you're on the wrong
runway, particularly pre-dawn. If that's indeed the case, it would
speak to negligence. I wonder what they were doing/thinking.


It wasn't pre-dawn. The preliminary NTSB data online gives the time of the
incident as 6:07 EDT. An online calculator gives the time of sunrise at
KLEX on that date as 6:04:37 AM.

My sunrise program fives 706 AM for today and Airnav.com gives 7:07
AM. Verify time zone. (UTC-4)

Ron Lee