The Comair crash reminds me...

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:25:35 -0500, Ross Richardson
wrote:
Be sure you set the DG to the magnetic compass before you turn onto the
runway and not do like some pilots I have seen. Line up on the runway
and set the compass.

Hmmm... Your compass must be a different model than mine... I don't
think that there is any mechanism to readily adjust mine prior to
takeoff...

"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.




Peter Duniho wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
...

Nope. One guy in the tower. The FAA has already admitted that they broke
their own rules by having only one controller staffed when the policy
requires a minimum of two at all times, at all facilities. They will
probably hang the tower manager as a scapegoat.


Yeah, I saw that. It wasn't clear to me the policy violation had anything
to do with the accident though. As the news explained it, the policy was to
have a radar controller in addition to the tower controller. They also say
that the tower controller was distracted doing a "traffic count". AFAIK,
having a radar controller on duty wouldn't have affected that.

Or is a traffic count something that the radar controller would have done?

Pete

Grumman-581 wrote:

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:56:10 -0600, Newps wrote:

Nope. One guy in the tower. The FAA has already admitted that they
broke their own rules by having only one controller staffed when the
policy requires a minimum of two at all times, at all facilities. They
will probably hang the tower manager as a scapegoat.


Nawh, it'll be the PIC as always... Maybe a couple of other
contributing factors, but in the end, the PIC will take the hit... As
far as the FAA is concerned, it all boils down to something like,
"Well, you didn't *have* to fly that day"... sick-grin

Yes the FAA will come down on the crew. The lawyers will drag the FAA
into court however.

Newps wrote:

"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.

Traffic count at 6 AM on Sunday? yea right.

Ron Lee




Peter Duniho wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
...

Nope. One guy in the tower. The FAA has already admitted that they broke
their own rules by having only one controller staffed when the policy
requires a minimum of two at all times, at all facilities. They will
probably hang the tower manager as a scapegoat.


Yeah, I saw that. It wasn't clear to me the policy violation had anything
to do with the accident though. As the news explained it, the policy was to
have a radar controller in addition to the tower controller. They also say
that the tower controller was distracted doing a "traffic count". AFAIK,
having a radar controller on duty wouldn't have affected that.

Or is a traffic count something that the radar controller would have done?

Pete

"Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message
oups.com...
This is just one of those "little extras" that every pilot should include
in
that last second look around the pit before opening the throttle. With
me; I
always made it a point to hestiate for a few seconds for a line up
re-check.

Yep... lights, camera, action, where the action - check dg / line it
up with runway numbers. Before now, I'll admit, all I did was reset the
dg to the runway heading, but from now on, I'll be paying much closer
attention to the variance. Too much means something ain't right.

--
Guy

From Lr24 training.
Remember: Aim, then Fire...

Al G

Ron Lee wrote:
Newps wrote:


"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.


Traffic count at 6 AM on Sunday? yea right.


Traffic is normally counted at the top of every hour, for those
facilities where it is not automated, and entered into the computer.
Between 12 and 2 am the days traffic count has to be entered into a
separate program and then sent to Wahington.

In article ,
Newps wrote:

"Traffic count" is a euphemism for not paying attention.

as is "I was on the landline"

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

"Aluckyguess" wrote in message ...
:I took a freind up today and he asked how something like that can happen. My
: answer was simple, their human.
:



they're human...

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
...

Traffic count at 6 AM on Sunday? yea right.


Disbelief? Traffic is counted at hourly intervals. The accident occurred
just after the hour.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...

as is "I was on the landline"


It can be. But landline calls are made, and traffic is counted.