No more "Left Downwind"?

"Jose" wrote in message
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But what if the those conditions exist only halfway up the cylinder? If
you could get SVFR in the entire cylinder, including the E, you climb in
the D to the E, and in the E to the top of the cloud layer to where VFR
conditions exist, go up another thousand feet, and exit.


Yes, you could do it under those conditions.



If you could not get SVFR in the E, you could not do this.


And since you can't get SVFR outside of the surface area you cannot do it.

north... Hell, I flunked by first checkride for my PPL because I
crabbed into a nonexistant crosswind and landed with my nosewheel 3 ft
off the centerline (of the 100 ft wide runway)... In all my flying at
that airport, I had *never* encountered wind directly straight down
the runway and it just so happened that it was that way on my
checkride...

Where is it in the Private PTS that the nose wheel has to be on or within x
feet of centerline?

BT

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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north... Hell, I flunked by first checkride for my PPL because I
crabbed into a nonexistant crosswind and landed with my nosewheel 3 ft
off the centerline (of the 100 ft wide runway)... In all my flying at
that airport, I had *never* encountered wind directly straight down
the runway and it just so happened that it was that way on my
checkride...


Where is it in the Private PTS that the nose wheel has to be on or within
x feet of centerline?


Well, if it was three feet off the centerline while the mains were
equidistant from it because he was crabbed into a nonexistent crosswind...

Yeah. Bring your money and your daughters. Now GO HOME.

{;-)

Jim


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family commitments.

Bring 'em with ya, we don't mind!

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:36:05 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
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El Toro MCAS used to have Class D airspace adjacent to the Class C airspace
that didn't even reach the surface.

Because I operate out of KSNA, that's an interesting bit of (old) news
to me. I can't put my hands on an old chart at the moment. Can you
tell me how the MCAS El Toro Class D airspace was structured if it
didn't reach the surface?


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El Toro yesterday and today:
http://www.ocgp.org/news/displaynews.asp?NewsID=54

Maybe they are doing a last check of the runway alignement?

That wouldn't require them to stop.

East-west runway,magnetic compass heading affected by ANDS

There was no class D limitation in this clearance.
Yes there was, "Climb to VFR within the Smallville surface area."

.... and thus the crux of my question. Where does it say where the
Smallvill surface area stops (vertically). The glossary in the AIM just
says "upwards" but does not say how far up. There is no reason to infer
that it would stop at a class boundary. There is a reason to infer that
it would stop at the top of controlled airspace (where the VFR rules are
"clear of clouds" anyway); that reason would be that special VFR
requires a clearance, and clearances cannot be given in uncontrolled
airspace. But if E or C overlays D, you're still in controlled
airspace, and there is no reason a D controller could not coordinate
with the owner of the airspace above the D.

If there is a place where it says where the top of a surface area is,
I'd like to see it.

Jose
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
I managed five landings without rolling past the numbers with calm air
the
other day. Making really short AND smooth landings AND hitting the exact
aimpoint has proved elusive. I can usually accomplish any two but not
all
three. It gives me additional respect for the pilots demoing Helios at
OSH.

I can't imagine what flying something like that must be like. Very
challenging, it sounds like!


It is always difficult to get every bit of performance out of an aircraft.
Usually we make it easier by using approach speeds that are high and settle
onto the runway. To put it down on the first foot of pavement at the
absolute minimium speed is a challenge in anything.



I was
climbing in the Andes early in the year and then made an attempt on the
North side of Everest in the spring. I reached 25,000' without O2 and
then
bailed for a variety of reasons.

Um, isn't life pretty much unsustainable at that altitude without
oxygen?

Depends on what you consider unsustainable. The highest permanant
settlement is about 18,000'. Personally I felt that I was constantly
deteriorating above 21,000'.

How many months do you live at altitude, before climbing the
next 5,000 feet? In other words, as I understand, a healthy
person can climb, 5 to 10 thousand feet above their living
altitude before hypoxia become serious. If you live at
10,000 feet for 6 months to a year, your body adjust and
adapts to that pressure and oxygen levels, you then can
climb or fly higher. If you return to sea level you may be
"super charged" or even get sick for a short while until you
readapt.

In the 1940 and 50s, I understand it took many moths for
Everest climbers to portage several higher and higher base
camps, before the actual assault on the top.


"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
|
| "Jay Honeck" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| I managed five landings without rolling past the
numbers with calm air
| the
| other day. Making really short AND smooth landings AND
hitting the exact
| aimpoint has proved elusive. I can usually accomplish
any two but not
| all
| three. It gives me additional respect for the pilots
demoing Helios at
| OSH.
|
| I can't imagine what flying something like that must be
like. Very
| challenging, it sounds like!
|
|
| It is always difficult to get every bit of performance out
of an aircraft.
| Usually we make it easier by using approach speeds that
are high and settle
| onto the runway. To put it down on the first foot of
pavement at the
| absolute minimium speed is a challenge in anything.
|
|
|
| I was
| climbing in the Andes early in the year and then made
an attempt on the
| North side of Everest in the spring. I reached 25,000'
without O2 and
| then
| bailed for a variety of reasons.
|
| Um, isn't life pretty much unsustainable at that
altitude without
| oxygen?
|
| Depends on what you consider unsustainable. The highest
permanant
| settlement is about 18,000'. Personally I felt that I was
constantly
| deteriorating above 21,000'.
|
|
|
|

You can ascend about 1000'/day It works out to a little less when you go
really high (above 20,000'). The only risk coming down is to avoid getting
dehydrated as you are prone to clots (this is a risk when at altitude too).


Mike
MU-2

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:bJKKg.6828$SZ3.1875@dukeread04...
How many months do you live at altitude, before climbing the
next 5,000 feet? In other words, as I understand, a healthy
person can climb, 5 to 10 thousand feet above their living
altitude before hypoxia become serious. If you live at
10,000 feet for 6 months to a year, your body adjust and
adapts to that pressure and oxygen levels, you then can
climb or fly higher. If you return to sea level you may be
"super charged" or even get sick for a short while until you
readapt.

In the 1940 and 50s, I understand it took many moths for
Everest climbers to portage several higher and higher base
camps, before the actual assault on the top.


"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
ink.net...
|
| "Jay Honeck" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| I managed five landings without rolling past the
numbers with calm air
| the
| other day. Making really short AND smooth landings AND
hitting the exact
| aimpoint has proved elusive. I can usually accomplish
any two but not
| all
| three. It gives me additional respect for the pilots
demoing Helios at
| OSH.
|
| I can't imagine what flying something like that must be
like. Very
| challenging, it sounds like!
|
|
| It is always difficult to get every bit of performance out
of an aircraft.
| Usually we make it easier by using approach speeds that
are high and settle
| onto the runway. To put it down on the first foot of
pavement at the
| absolute minimium speed is a challenge in anything.
|
|
|
| I was
| climbing in the Andes early in the year and then made
an attempt on the
| North side of Everest in the spring. I reached 25,000'
without O2 and
| then
| bailed for a variety of reasons.
|
| Um, isn't life pretty much unsustainable at that
altitude without
| oxygen?
|
| Depends on what you consider unsustainable. The highest
permanant
| settlement is about 18,000'. Personally I felt that I was
constantly
| deteriorating above 21,000'.
|
|
|
|