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"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:_x2Lg.2559$8J2.647@fed1read11... It seems that NATCA did not have the guts to talk with their feet on their new contract that was forced down their throat. IIRC Prez Billy called their bluff back in the early 90s contract negotiation also. Kind of seems like a profession where there is only one employer... Does your run of the mill controller really have any other job opportunities? I suspect that senior management would have other opportunities in that they can shuffle papers just about anywhere, but what about the guys who are actually doing the work? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net... Nor should he. But controllers dressed like that were clearly the exception and the problem could have been remedied simply by banning cut-offs and flip-flops. What the impose instead can only have a negative effect. But they should be equal in what they are banning... Exactly what constitutes flip-flops? If a man's open healed leather sandals are banned, then many women's shoes should also be banned... Many women's blouses do not have collars and are not in the least considered casual... Personally, I don't care what they are wearing... I would prefer them to be comfortable so that they don't allow me to attempt to takeoff from the 3000 ft runway instead of the 7000 ft one... Oh, wait a minute... My plane doesn't have a problem taking off from the 3000 ft runway... Oh well... Never mind... Seriously though... Let 'me be comfortable... If they don't want them to wear shorts and t-shirts, turn up the air-conditioning... That'll put a stop to that fashion trend... Hell, back at NASA, we had this one room that the air-conditioning was so good that people would bring parkas when it was 100F outside... It was the TFCR -- Transitional Flight Control Room... I would always answer the phone, "Cryrogenic Research"... Even during late night test times, NO ONE considered wearing shorts and a t-shirt... |
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"Emily" wrote in message
. .. And I said, "name on company who makes machinery workers wear ties" Never operated a large paper shredder? What about the large tractor feed printers? Back when I used to pull MAA duty and Shore Patrol in the Navy, we were advised to only wear clip-on ties when the Uniform of the Day required a tie due to the possibility of someone being able to strangle you with your own tie... |
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![]() "Emily" wrote in message . .. I wasn't asking for help. I know full well what kind of flying I can and can't do based on my location. VFR in uncontrolled airspace is very difficult. We're not talking about VFR in uncontrolled airspace, we're talking about VFR without having to contact ATC. |
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![]() "Emily" wrote in message ... Well, someone has yet to give me a way that I can fly IN MY LOCAL AREA without talking to ATC. Someone would have, if you hadn't refused to identify your local area. |
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Emily wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how that's not hard. At least where I fly, it's very difficult to not enter controlled airspace. You don't need a controller to fly in E, and there's still a lot of G under the E. |
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Emily wrote:
Well, someone has yet to give me a way that I can fly IN MY LOCAL AREA without talking to ATC. And driving two hours to an airport outside of town doesn't count - that makes it difficult. Remember, contract towers aren't FAA "ATC", so you may be able to fly from some Delta space without contacting "ATC". =8^0 |
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Grumman-581 wrote:
Obviously, they have determined that how a controller is dressed directly effects whether aircraft depart from the correct runway... The tie points in the direction of the runway! |
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Grumman-581 wrote:
But they should be equal in what they are banning... Exactly what constitutes flip-flops? If a man's open healed leather sandals are banned, then many women's shoes should also be banned... Many women's blouses do not have collars and are not in the least considered casual... There's always uniforms... G Personally, I don't care what they are wearing... Me either. The only reason I even know what my local folks wear is because I took a tour. After the tour, they're still the same folks on the other end of the radio, who I happen to hold in very high regard. A local acquaintance of mine owns a successful catering biz that also runs a high-rise contract cafeteria. He's a Julliard trained chef, and has an additional master's degree. His work has won accolades from magazines, the New York Times, and other critical works. One morning, "Tim" was manning the cafeteria omelet station, as he was short on help after a busy catering weekend. One of the suits from the high-rise gave him a speech about how _he_ used to be a "grill guy" until he went to night school at the local community college, and now he's the _assistant manager_ of the customer service department of a mortgage company. I also know of a very esteemed, jeans and flannel wearing woodworker, who runs a one-man furniture shop, who happens to posses a Masters of Economics from Princeton University. G It's not the appearance, it's what you _do_ that counts! |
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![]() "B A R R Y" wrote in message . com... Remember, contract towers aren't FAA "ATC", so you may be able to fly from some Delta space without contacting "ATC". =8^0 FAA towers, FAA contract towers, non-federal control towers, and military towers are all "ATC". |
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