NATCA Going Down in Flames

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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It seems that NATCA did not have the guts to talk with their feet on their
new contract that was forced down their throat. IIRC Prez Billy called
their
bluff back in the early 90s contract negotiation also.

Kind of seems like a profession where there is only one employer... Does
your run of the mill controller really have any other job opportunities? I
suspect that senior management would have other opportunities in that they
can shuffle papers just about anywhere, but what about the guys who are
actually doing the work?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Nor should he. But controllers dressed like that were clearly the
exception
and the problem could have been remedied simply by banning cut-offs and
flip-flops. What the impose instead can only have a negative effect.

But they should be equal in what they are banning... Exactly what
constitutes flip-flops? If a man's open healed leather sandals are banned,
then many women's shoes should also be banned... Many women's blouses do not
have collars and are not in the least considered casual... Personally, I
don't care what they are wearing... I would prefer them to be comfortable so
that they don't allow me to attempt to takeoff from the 3000 ft runway
instead of the 7000 ft one... Oh, wait a minute... My plane doesn't have a
problem taking off from the 3000 ft runway... Oh well... Never mind...

Seriously though... Let 'me be comfortable... If they don't want them to
wear shorts and t-shirts, turn up the air-conditioning... That'll put a stop
to that fashion trend... Hell, back at NASA, we had this one room that the
air-conditioning was so good that people would bring parkas when it was 100F
outside... It was the TFCR -- Transitional Flight Control Room... I would
always answer the phone, "Cryrogenic Research"... Even during late night
test times, NO ONE considered wearing shorts and a t-shirt...

"Emily" wrote in message
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And I said, "name on company who makes machinery workers wear ties"

Never operated a large paper shredder?

What about the large tractor feed printers?

Back when I used to pull MAA duty and Shore Patrol in the Navy, we were
advised to only wear clip-on ties when the Uniform of the Day required a tie
due to the possibility of someone being able to strangle you with your own
tie...

"Emily" wrote in message
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I wasn't asking for help. I know full well what kind of flying I can and
can't do based on my location. VFR in uncontrolled airspace is very
difficult.


We're not talking about VFR in uncontrolled airspace, we're talking about
VFR without having to contact ATC.

"Emily" wrote in message
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Well, someone has yet to give me a way that I can fly IN MY LOCAL AREA
without talking to ATC.


Someone would have, if you hadn't refused to identify your local area.

Emily wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out how that's not hard. At least where I
fly, it's very difficult to not enter controlled airspace.

You don't need a controller to fly in E, and there's still a lot of G
under the E.

Emily wrote:

Well, someone has yet to give me a way that I can fly IN MY LOCAL AREA
without talking to ATC.

And driving two hours to an airport outside of town doesn't count - that
makes it difficult.


Remember, contract towers aren't FAA "ATC", so you may be able to fly
from some Delta space without contacting "ATC". =8^0

Grumman-581 wrote:

Obviously, they have determined that how a controller is dressed directly
effects whether aircraft depart from the correct runway...


The tie points in the direction of the runway!

Grumman-581 wrote:
But they should be equal in what they are banning... Exactly what
constitutes flip-flops? If a man's open healed leather sandals are banned,
then many women's shoes should also be banned... Many women's blouses do not
have collars and are not in the least considered casual...

There's always uniforms... G


Personally, I
don't care what they are wearing...

Me either. The only reason I even know what my local folks wear is
because I took a tour. After the tour, they're still the same folks on
the other end of the radio, who I happen to hold in very high regard.

A local acquaintance of mine owns a successful catering biz that also
runs a high-rise contract cafeteria. He's a Julliard trained chef, and
has an additional master's degree. His work has won accolades from
magazines, the New York Times, and other critical works.

One morning, "Tim" was manning the cafeteria omelet station, as he was
short on help after a busy catering weekend. One of the suits from the
high-rise gave him a speech about how _he_ used to be a "grill guy"
until he went to night school at the local community college, and now
he's the _assistant manager_ of the customer service department of a
mortgage company.

I also know of a very esteemed, jeans and flannel wearing woodworker,
who runs a one-man furniture shop, who happens to posses a Masters of
Economics from Princeton University. G

It's not the appearance, it's what you _do_ that counts!

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Remember, contract towers aren't FAA "ATC", so you may be able to fly from
some Delta space without contacting "ATC". =8^0


FAA towers, FAA contract towers, non-federal control towers, and military
towers are all "ATC".