Please Ignore Mxsmanic

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"tony roberts" wrote in message
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I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!

GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL

Tony

Wasn't me :-) I'm with you. This has been more fun to watch than I've had
for a long time with my clothes on :-)))
DH

Now there's an image I wasn't really expecting so early in the morning! ;-)
Crash Lander

"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"tony roberts" wrote in message
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I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!

GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL

Tony

Wasn't me :-) I'm with you. This has been more fun to watch than I've had
for a long time with my clothes on :-)))
DH

Now there's an image I wasn't really expecting so early in the morning!
;-)
Crash Lander

My wife agrees with you :-)
D

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:38:24 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
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"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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"Crash Lander" wrote in message
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As much as I agree that flight sim problems are rarely solved with real
world flying solutions, and that he may be asking some of the questions
in the wrong group, I have to say that I am also a flight simmer! And
yes, I am learning to fly. I only have 1 hour so far, so have just begun
my journey, but just because I am not a real pilot yet, doesn't mean that
some of my curious questions that arise from the simming world might not
be worth listening to from a real world pilot point of view.
You need to remember that just because a thread has been posted, it
doesn't mean you have to read it.
Crash Lander

(I'll vouch for "Crash" ... he's good people (in a usenet kinda
way...gdr))

The difference here CL, is that Mx:

1) Has preconcieved notions
2) Is unwilling to accept the answers he's given
3) Insists the answers he's given are wrong and already knows exactly why
(adjunct to point #1)

No one here will hesitate to inform, enlighten and help educate new pilots
if the impression is given (and it can be real or imagined...) that the
person posing the questions can actually read the info, digest it and be
grateful for the help. Hell, no one would even care if you wanted to
debate an issue provided you do so with logic and facts based on real
world experiences or observations.

Just don't come in here telling hundreds of pilots with experience levels
ranging from newbie to multi-thousands of hours that you know better than
they do because your computer sim doesn't work that way.

Best of luck with your training. Post early and often as you go...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Judging from the long threads with little new posting from responders, I
think this particular gentleman may have already run his race on the pilot
forums :-))
So far, he has me definitely needing more dual so that I come to better
understand the basics of giving flight instruction , Pete Duniho needing
more instrument time so that he understands what flying IFR is actually all
about, and at last peek...(I'm just lurking here mind you...can't wait to
see what happens next... ) whether Todd Pattist needs some help with his
aerodynamics :-))
My personal opinion is that I hope this guy never leaves. Watching this is
more fun than a human being should be allowed to have in one lifetime
:-))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

Yup!

Hi Dudley,

What ever his reasoning he's asked some good questions. Questions that
make me think about how I do things and what I see out in the real
world. So, even if it's difficult to get some things across I really
think it's worth while...and as you said there is a certain
entertainment value involved in watching the threads progress.

Having to explain something that may be contrary to the way of
thinking of the explainee and then paraphrase it is one of the best
methods of learning:-))





Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:28:58 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"tony roberts" wrote in message
news:nospam-0A6CE4.21251426092006@shawnews...
I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!

GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL

Tony

Wasn't me :-) I'm with you. This has been more fun to watch than I've had
for a long time with my clothes on :-)))

Glad you put that exception in there.


DH

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:38:24 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:

Hi Dudley,

What ever his reasoning he's asked some good questions. Questions that
make me think about how I do things and what I see out in the real
world. So, even if it's difficult to get some things across I really
think it's worth while...and as you said there is a certain
entertainment value involved in watching the threads progress.

Having to explain something that may be contrary to the way of
thinking of the explainee and then paraphrase it is one of the best
methods of learning:-))

Hi Roger;

I agree. This guy is, if nothing else, one of the more "interesting" people
I've run across on Usenet. Looking down the now empty threads this guy has
caused is like looking at a suicide. In almost every instance the pattern is
the same; an initial question followed by a response; then a complete
reversal from a questioning mode into an interrogation of the responder from
a position of authority and "superior knowledge. It's a classic Usenet hook!
This character however, seems at least to have an additional aspect to his
Usenet style that might take him right out of the troll category and onto a
higher level......or at least another level :-)
If I had to profile this guy and I had money to lay down, I'd say that what
we have been witnessing here is a guy who over time, and after fooling
around with MSFS, has learned a great deal from the experience, but from his
postings, I'd say that all that "learning" was done alone and without
assistance. The result has been,to my eye anyway, the ultimate development
of a mixed bag of knowledge containing just enough fact to get him into
trouble as the experts begin to expand on what he projects as questions and
comment.
Its interesting to watch :-)
There's another underlying facet to him that I've noticed in his postings.
Assuming he's not a troll in the true sense and just the obnoxious
individual he appears to be, I'm guessing that over time, teaching himself
with MSFS, he has convinced himself that although he can't fly, he COULD fly
if given the opportunity. In fact, based on his responses to those who
actually do fly, I'd say he has convinced himself that since he personally
has obtained all this knowledge without flying an actual airplane, those who
do fly actual airplanes have wasted a great deal of their money and time by
doing so. In other words, I think this guy sees himself on a plane (no pun
intended :-) ABOVE that of real pilots. He sees himself as smarter.
I think he's brought all this to Usenet to "test it" against real pilots. He
engages them with a question, then when they answer, he responds with what
he hopes will be a "hook" to nail them by showing them that he knows more
about the issue he's asking about than the responder.
Its fascinating to watch!!! :-))
Anyway, what makes it a tragedy is the fact that the guy obviously likes
airplanes and has spent a lot of time learning about them. Most of the
pilots who hang on the aviation newsgroups are a great bunch of people and
will gladly help those in the sim community who love aviation and come to
them for real world answers and dialog exchange.
I'm a good example of this myself, having been an advisor to the sim
community for some years now.
Just looking at the empty threads this character has caused tells the whole
story. He has literally run the gamut of the real world aviation talent on
these groups and has burned them all out one by one. He's arrived on the
scene, engaged them all, and generally exhausted his welcome. Its a shame if
it isas I suspect, a personality issue. If he is a troll, he's not a good
one :-)
Dudley

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:13 -0400, Margy Natalie
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Steve Foley wrote:
"Terry" wrote in message
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To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......

It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
real airplanes.
The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
found by
reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
he is lazy and
wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.


It's even worse than that. He asks an innocent sounding question, and twists
the replies into an argument.

As a troll, he's almost as talented as Skylune.

I'm done playing with him.


He's better than skylune! I find myself saying "I'm not going to say a
word", but ... I still find my fingers on the keyboard. Damned, he's
good, he should learn to fly! The sad thing is I think he's really
interested in learning, he just can't figure out that A. sims are NOT
real airplanes. B. Real airplanes aren't that dangerous and won't fall
out of the sky if you run the engine at less than optimal settings.

Mine quit with less than optimal settings, of course it did have the
realistic expectation of at least getting some fuel. It quit on take
off and still didn't fall out of the sky. OTOH I did land a lot sooner
than I'd expected. I had the valve fixed and took off again. :-))



Margy
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Emily wrote:

Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.

He is still an aviation enthusiast. It beats the 'let-close
the-airport-because-I-was-too-dumb-to-know-that-it-might-be-
noisy-before-I-moved-in' crowd who occasionally post in this
groups.

I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
relate.

Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
certificate number to participate?

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:
I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
relate.

But would you be stupid enough to argue that the moon is made of green
cheese with one of the astronauts that had been there? This troll
definitely would...

Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
certificate number to participate?

Nawh, we can just create two new groups underneath
rec.aviation.piloting...
rec.aviation.piloting.wantabes
rec.aviation.piloting.neverbes

This troll would be in the latter, of course...

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:52:41 -0700, Sylvain wrote:

Emily wrote:

Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.

He is still an aviation enthusiast. It beats the 'let-close
the-airport-because-I-was-too-dumb-to-know-that-it-might-be-
noisy-before-I-moved-in' crowd who occasionally post in this
groups.

I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
relate.

How dare you dash my hopes? I'm only 66 and was still planning on
applying:-))


Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
certificate number to participate?

--Sylvain
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Sylvain wrote:
Emily wrote:

Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.

He is still an aviation enthusiast. It beats the 'let-close
the-airport-because-I-was-too-dumb-to-know-that-it-might-be-
noisy-before-I-moved-in' crowd who occasionally post in this
groups.

I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
relate.

Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
certificate number to participate?

--Sylvain

No. What I WOULD suggest is that someone who has no concept of what
flying an aircraft is like doesn't need to act like he does. If that
sentence made any sense.