NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

Stefan writes:

Actually, we do not know this. We can assume it, and the evidence is
pretty strong, but there might have been other factors which we don't know.

We know the system rebooted, and that alone is sufficient reason to
question its safety.

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NW_Pilot writes:

Ahh!!! Go to look here! http://skyhawksp.cessna.com/pricelist.chtml This
bird had every thing NAV III + some but the A/C! Them airbag seat belts are
not very comfortable either!

Are those prices for the avionics and options alone, or are they for
the entire aircraft _with_ those options?

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Emily wrote:

Let's see. Single Female Pilot, Low self esteem issues. You are aware this
isn't match.com aren't you.


Um, yes. I don't date pilots anyway.

Now that is just not right Emily. Pilots need love too.

Ron Lee

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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NW_Pilot writes:

Ahh!!! Go to look here! http://skyhawksp.cessna.com/pricelist.chtml This
bird had every thing NAV III + some but the A/C! Them airbag seat belts
are
not very comfortable either!

Are those prices for the avionics and options alone, or are they for
the entire aircraft _with_ those options?

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Those are prices of the aircraft with the option package. So the Skyhawk
with the Nav III package is $241.000. Or, so you can understand the figure,
every cent you earn for the next 30+ years.

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:47:54 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote in :

It was sarcasm.

Participants in this newsgroup prefer the use of a :-) to denote
sarcasm.

"Emily" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"Emily" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
"Emily" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:
Unlike you?
I have a very low opinion of myself, actually.
Let's see. Single Female Pilot, Low self esteem issues. You are aware
this isn't match.com aren't you.
Um, yes. I don't date pilots anyway.

Bigot.
Learning: A relatively permanent change in behavior caused by experience
over time.

I fully understand. My wife has been married to one for over 20 years now
and she would probably agree.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:50:29 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in :


"Emily" wrote in message
Um, yes. I don't date pilots anyway.

Bigot.


Not according to the definitions he
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot

But according to the definitions he
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...onary&va=bigot

Larry Dighera schrieb:

Participants in this newsgroup prefer the use of a :-) to denote
sarcasm.

Some. Not all.

"Emily" wrote in message
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Bigot.

Learning: A relatively permanent change in behavior caused by experience
over time.

Then is sounds like blond jokes should be OK.

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:13:40 +0000, John Theune wrote:

To clarify my earlier post: Go ahead and blame Garmin ( which may or may
not be right ) but don't use this failure as a reason not to have advanced
avionics in aircraft.

I don't know about that. An inability to build proper reliability into a
system would sound to me like a good reason to avoid it.

More, I've been thinking about the statement "it rebooted". There really
shouldn't be an "it" in an airplane, should there? There should be a
"they", right? And the statement should have been "one of them rebooted".

There are two screens for redundancy, but only one system?

With respect to the sensor providing bad data: sensors can provide bad
data. They break. Part of the job of the unit accepting input from the
sensor is to flag such failures. This isn't an "odd case"; it should be
one of the tasked requirements.

All that said, I'm uncomfortable with some of the symptoms described. Why
would the AHRS have a problem because of a bad fuel sensor? How would
fuel contaminate a pitot tube (in my 182s, they're not positioned such
that this could occur)?

My first thought is that there's some problem particular to this unit that
was being flown. Failing that, I wonder what else in the environment
might have triggered the multiple failures.

- Andrew