AS/MEL now need ATC permission over East River

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This a change that I can live with. This just moved the end of the
"canyon" to the SW end of Roosevelt Island. This means that you can
still fly up the East river to almost Central Park.

No, you misread the TFR and my summary. The restriction extends to the
southwest tip of Governor's Island, not just Roosevelt Island. I think the
northeast tip of Governor's Island would make more sense.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
This restriction strikes me as semi-reasonable, since many or most pilots
(including me) already considered the East River U-turn (surrounded by
dense
traffic) to be too risky to fly there. Now, ATC can ensure that you don't
fly up the river unless they're going to clear you to continue all the
way.
(Helicopters and seaplanes are properly excluded from the restriction.)

The main problem I see is that the new restriction starts at the
southwest
tip of Governor's Island instead of the northeast tip. That seems like an
unnecessary complication to navigation there, especially since it forces
pilots flying past to descend to 1100' instead of remaining just below
1500'. Perhaps that part of the rule can be changed. (skyvector.com)

--Gary

!FDC 6/3495 ZNY EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, VFR
FLIGHT OPERATIONS INVOLVING FIXED WING AIRCRAFT (EXCLUDING AMPHIBIOUS
FIXED WING AIRCRAFT LANDING OR DEPARTING NEW YORK SKYPORTS INC
SEAPLANE BASE) IN THE EAST RIVER CLASS B EXCLUSION AREA EXTENDING
FROM THE SOUTHWESTERN TIP OF GOVERNORS ISLAND TO THE NORTH TIP OF
ROOSEVELT ISLAND, ARE PROHIBITED UNLESS AUTHORIZED AND BEING
CONTROLLED BY ATC. TO OBTAIN AUTHORIZATION CONTACT LGA ATCT SOUTH OF
GOVERNORS ISLAND ON 126.05.

Also NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nyre...rtner=homepage

Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "me" wrote:

With respect.. The reason this will help is that when flying up that part
of the river while talking to atc they will be able to clear you into the
class b and LGA's airspace with out getting stuck in the canyon and not
being in a position to make the narrow turn to try and stay out of the class
b.

If that's the reason, then they should make a class b clearance a requirement
for fixed-wing aircraft operating in that corridor.

You can't get a class B clearance outside the class B. Changing the
class B limits actually has a bit more of a sham procedure the FAA
must go through. Issuing random TFR restictions like this can be
done on a mere whim.

In article k.net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

If that's the reason, then they should make a class b clearance a
requirement
for fixed-wing aircraft operating in that corridor.


Then what would be the purpose of the corridor?

bingo.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:58:18 -0400, Ron Natalie wrote:

You can't get a class B clearance outside the class B. Changing the class
B limits actually has a bit more of a sham procedure the FAA must go
through. Issuing random TFR restictions like this can be done on a mere
whim.

The TFR also permits the rotary exception.

Discrimination against the fixer-wingers, if you ask me. All because we
can't hover w/o a helping headwind.

- Andrew