New vs. Used

Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:

What concerns me is the continuing decline of technical and managerial
competence in our country. We, as a country, seem to be complacent
about this. Far too few of our kids are getting technical educations.
If they do, where shall they work?

What do you expect when every repugnican thinks taxes supporting
education, particularly college education is a sin against god? Ever
talk to a psycho-christian kid (home or private schooled) about science?
Scary, and this is what our pres. considers a good education.
This country debates the morality of teaching some of the most solid
science on the books; geology, biology, evolution, climatology,
cosmology-off the top of my head, and you think we should continue as a
technological leader? Don't be so naive. We're coasting at this point.
Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids. They're dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've made for them.
Shawn

What a truckload of patronizing bull.
Ever heard of Genentech, Google, Cisco Systems, Intel, My Space, Apple,
Halliburton, Exxon, You Tube, Corning, Trimble Navigation, the GPS
system, the Tomahawk, Cirrus Design, Global Hawk or the U.S. Army?
Have you ever thought about the technology that goes into an F-22, the
USS George Bush or USS Reagan, either one of which is more powerful
than the military of most countries? A day after the tsunami hit that
dope smoking paradise for European hedonists, the USS Abraham Lincoln
steamed out of Hong Kong and provided fresh water, food and rescue
choppers and saved the lives of a half million muslims, buddhists and
european pot-heads. The United States has more universities per capita
than any other country in the world and it is damn hard to get into the
engineering or science departments of every one of them. Liberals and
Dumocrats have made it simple to get degrees in naval gazing; we sure
need more ethnic studies experts, American Indian wannabes, and snotty
little leftists learning how to throw food at people they and their
esteemed but barely literate liberal arts professors don't like. "Oh,
you got her in the face with that pie, Sean, that should get you an A+
in your comparative political feelings course. That'll teach her to
spout off on that religious crap. Here is your Phi Beta Kappa key and
a job with the government. Be sure to count all those mosquitoes in
that swamp, er wetlands. They're very important, you know. Global
warming is causing their numbers to shrink and you're so highly
educated you'll believe it."
I know several kids who have graduated from religous home studies
courses, one attends Rice, another is at Carnegie Mellon and has been
accepted into Medical School, two more attend Duke and one is at U
Penn, all on academic scholarships in science. Many more attend local
universities. All of them grew up in evangelical Christian families,
they are still religous and they didn't have their time wasted studying
the liberal blather which masquerades as public education. At least not
in high school. And they will become scientists, and they are
Americans, and in the future they will work with Chinese, Indian,
Korean, Pakistani, German, English, French, and other engineers and
scientists in American companies, in America, at companies many of
them will start, because most of the world sucks and America is where
the majority of the worlds educated people want to live.

Yes. The older generations, all of us, should be doing a better job of
guiding the younger generations. I would like to see a national
effort, similar to the "space race" of the 1960's, to stimulate
technical excellence in the education of our youth.

How about requiring universities to increase their capacity for
teaching science courses and eliminate at least half of their liberal
arts faculty to pay for it. How about granting postgraduate
fellowships and money to American students and let foreign students get
funding from their own taxpayers. How about requiring that a certain
percentage of faculty positions must be filled by Americans who speak
American English. Getting a Science Phd. in America is really kind of
dumb, unless you really are a genius, because it puts you in
competition with the worlds smartest people, most of whom are trying to
get Phd. level jobs in America, and most of whom really are smarter
and more dedicated than you because that is their only way of getting
here. How about fostering a culture where we can believe that we
really are the best society on earth because the worlds people seem
desperate to come here and we don't seem all that keen to leave. How
about getting rid of the idiots at Princeton who seem to value giving
scholarship money to Afghan terriorists over American citizens.

Doug Hoffman wrote:
Shawn wrote:

We're coasting at this point.

I agree.

Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids.

I didn't and don't.

They're dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've made for them.

Yes. The older generations, all of us, should be doing a better job of
guiding the younger generations. I would like to see a national
effort, similar to the "space race" of the 1960's, to stimulate
technical excellence in the education of our youth.

Great idea.

I guess I've strayed a bit from soaring. Sorry. One of my heroes is
Dick Schreder. He successfully single-handedly designed, built, and
piloted his own gliders against the best in the world in soaring. An
amazing accomplishment.

I got interested in soaring as a kid because a friends dad was building
a Schreder design in his garage. I joined the SSA at 14, got a ride,
hung out at the glider port (Black Forest in CO), and learned to fly at
28. Ah well, the SSA at work in the late 70's.

Shawn

I have to agree with a lot of what you just said Bruce.

Here's a liberal slogan I can't stand:

"To those who have the need, from those who have the ability"

It has been taken to the extreme. Because idiots in the goverment have
realized it is a control and polarizing method of divide and conquer.

Brad
Independant

Bruce T. wrote:
Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:

What concerns me is the continuing decline of technical and managerial
competence in our country. We, as a country, seem to be complacent
about this. Far too few of our kids are getting technical educations.
If they do, where shall they work?

What do you expect when every repugnican thinks taxes supporting
education, particularly college education is a sin against god? Ever
talk to a psycho-christian kid (home or private schooled) about science?
Scary, and this is what our pres. considers a good education.
This country debates the morality of teaching some of the most solid
science on the books; geology, biology, evolution, climatology,
cosmology-off the top of my head, and you think we should continue as a
technological leader? Don't be so naive. We're coasting at this point.
Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids. They're dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've made for them.
Shawn

What a truckload of patronizing bull.
Ever heard of Genentech, Google, Cisco Systems, Intel, My Space, Apple,
Halliburton, Exxon, You Tube, Corning, Trimble Navigation, the GPS
system, the Tomahawk, Cirrus Design, Global Hawk or the U.S. Army?
Have you ever thought about the technology that goes into an F-22, the
USS George Bush or USS Reagan, either one of which is more powerful
than the military of most countries? A day after the tsunami hit that
dope smoking paradise for European hedonists, the USS Abraham Lincoln
steamed out of Hong Kong and provided fresh water, food and rescue
choppers and saved the lives of a half million muslims, buddhists and
european pot-heads. The United States has more universities per capita
than any other country in the world and it is damn hard to get into the
engineering or science departments of every one of them. Liberals and
Dumocrats have made it simple to get degrees in naval gazing; we sure
need more ethnic studies experts, American Indian wannabes, and snotty
little leftists learning how to throw food at people they and their
esteemed but barely literate liberal arts professors don't like. "Oh,
you got her in the face with that pie, Sean, that should get you an A+
in your comparative political feelings course. That'll teach her to
spout off on that religious crap. Here is your Phi Beta Kappa key and
a job with the government. Be sure to count all those mosquitoes in
that swamp, er wetlands. They're very important, you know. Global
warming is causing their numbers to shrink and you're so highly
educated you'll believe it."
I know several kids who have graduated from religous home studies
courses, one attends Rice, another is at Carnegie Mellon and has been
accepted into Medical School, two more attend Duke and one is at U
Penn, all on academic scholarships in science. Many more attend local
universities. All of them grew up in evangelical Christian families,
they are still religous and they didn't have their time wasted studying
the liberal blather which masquerades as public education. At least not
in high school. And they will become scientists, and they are
Americans, and in the future they will work with Chinese, Indian,
Korean, Pakistani, German, English, French, and other engineers and
scientists in American companies, in America, at companies many of
them will start, because most of the world sucks and America is where
the majority of the worlds educated people want to live.

Yes. The older generations, all of us, should be doing a better job of
guiding the younger generations. I would like to see a national
effort, similar to the "space race" of the 1960's, to stimulate
technical excellence in the education of our youth.

How about requiring universities to increase their capacity for
teaching science courses and eliminate at least half of their liberal
arts faculty to pay for it. How about granting postgraduate
fellowships and money to American students and let foreign students get
funding from their own taxpayers. How about requiring that a certain
percentage of faculty positions must be filled by Americans who speak
American English. Getting a Science Phd. in America is really kind of
dumb, unless you really are a genius, because it puts you in
competition with the worlds smartest people, most of whom are trying to
get Phd. level jobs in America, and most of whom really are smarter
and more dedicated than you because that is their only way of getting
here. How about fostering a culture where we can believe that we
really are the best society on earth because the worlds people seem
desperate to come here and we don't seem all that keen to leave. How
about getting rid of the idiots at Princeton who seem to value giving
scholarship money to Afghan terriorists over American citizens.

Copied from "Critique of the Gotha Programme"
by Karl Marx
http://www.marx.org/Archive/1875-Gotha/
QUOTED TEXT
Many paragraphs of boring nonsense followed by the mantra of Liberals
everywhere.

"ONLY THEN then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right
be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its
banners: From each according to his ability, to each
according to his needs! "

END OF QUOTED TEXT
Brad wrote:
I have to agree with a lot of what you just said Bruce.

Here's a liberal slogan I can't stand:

"To those who have the need, from those who have the ability"

It has been taken to the extreme. Because idiots in the goverment have
realized it is a control and polarizing method of divide and conquer.

Brad
Independant

Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:

What concerns me is the continuing decline of technical and managerial
competence in our country. We, as a country, seem to be complacent
about this. Far too few of our kids are getting technical educations.
If they do, where shall they work?

What do you expect when every repugnican thinks taxes supporting
education, particularly college education is a sin against god? Ever
talk to a psycho-christian kid (home or private schooled) about science?
Scary, and this is what our pres. considers a good education.
This country debates the morality of teaching some of the most solid
science on the books; geology, biology, evolution, climatology,
cosmology-off the top of my head, and you think we should continue as a
technological leader? Don't be so naive. We're coasting at this point.
Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids. They're dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've made for them.

Shawn

Why don't you try moving? I recommend France, Germany, or how about
Iraq?

Tom

That's what I love about this country. A guy passionatley explains what
he feels is wrong with his country, and describes ways in which he
believes it could be changed. And someone else tells him to move to
Iraq.

Just goes to show; the "if you don't like it here, why don't you move
to "insert name here" retort is neither a dem or a rep comeback.

Brad



wrote:
Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:

What concerns me is the continuing decline of technical and managerial
competence in our country. We, as a country, seem to be complacent
about this. Far too few of our kids are getting technical educations.
If they do, where shall they work?

What do you expect when every repugnican thinks taxes supporting
education, particularly college education is a sin against god? Ever
talk to a psycho-christian kid (home or private schooled) about science?
Scary, and this is what our pres. considers a good education.
This country debates the morality of teaching some of the most solid
science on the books; geology, biology, evolution, climatology,
cosmology-off the top of my head, and you think we should continue as a
technological leader? Don't be so naive. We're coasting at this point.
Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids. They're dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've made for them.

Shawn

Why don't you try moving? I recommend France, Germany, or how about
Iraq?

Tom

I don't care where he moves as long as he doesn't come to Texas.
And the same goes for the rest of you who aren't already here.
Cheers!, Pete


"Brad" wrote in message
ps.com...
That's what I love about this country. A guy passionatley explains what
he feels is wrong with his country, and describes ways in which he
believes it could be changed. And someone else tells him to move to
Iraq.

Just goes to show; the "if you don't like it here, why don't you move
to "insert name here" retort is neither a dem or a rep comeback.

Brad



wrote:
Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:

What concerns me is the continuing decline of technical and
managerial
competence in our country. We, as a country, seem to be complacent
about this. Far too few of our kids are getting technical
educations.
If they do, where shall they work?

What do you expect when every repugnican thinks taxes supporting
education, particularly college education is a sin against god? Ever
talk to a psycho-christian kid (home or private schooled) about
science?
Scary, and this is what our pres. considers a good education.
This country debates the morality of teaching some of the most solid
science on the books; geology, biology, evolution, climatology,
cosmology-off the top of my head, and you think we should continue as
a
technological leader? Don't be so naive. We're coasting at this
point.
Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids. They're dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've made for them.

Shawn

Why don't you try moving? I recommend France, Germany, or how about
Iraq?

Tom

Well be prepared two years from now for the return
of you know who Somewhere in Texas a village is
looking for him.



At 22:12 05 November 2006, Pete Reinhart wrote:
I don't care where he moves as long as he doesn't come
to Texas.
And the same goes for the rest of you who aren't already
here.
Cheers!, Pete


'Brad' wrote in message
ups.com...
That's what I love about this country. A guy passionatley
explains what
he feels is wrong with his country, and describes
ways in which he
believes it could be changed. And someone else tells
him to move to
Iraq.

Just goes to show; the 'if you don't like it here,
why don't you move
to 'insert name here' retort is neither a dem or a
rep comeback.

Brad



wrote:
Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:

What concerns me is the continuing decline of technical
and
managerial
competence in our country. We, as a country, seem
to be complacent
about this. Far too few of our kids are getting
technical
educations.
If they do, where shall they work?

What do you expect when every repugnican thinks
taxes supporting
education, particularly college education is a sin
against god? Ever
talk to a psycho-christian kid (home or private
schooled) about
science?
Scary, and this is what our pres. considers a
good education.
This country debates the morality of teaching some
of the most solid
science on the books; geology, biology, evolution,
climatology,
cosmology-off the top of my head, and you think
we should continue as
a
technological leader? Don't be so naive. We're
coasting at this
point.
Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids. They're
dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've
made for them.

Shawn

Why don't you try moving? I recommend France, Germany,
or how about
Iraq?

Tom

Pete Reinhart wrote:
I don't care where he moves as long as he doesn't come to Texas.
And the same goes for the rest of you who aren't already here.

I lived there when the "Don't mess with Texas" trash campaign began. I
decided "OK, I won't, and left. Great decision.


Shawn

wrote:
Shawn wrote:
Doug Hoffman wrote:

What concerns me is the continuing decline of technical and managerial
competence in our country. We, as a country, seem to be complacent
about this. Far too few of our kids are getting technical educations.
If they do, where shall they work?
What do you expect when every repugnican thinks taxes supporting
education, particularly college education is a sin against god? Ever
talk to a psycho-christian kid (home or private schooled) about science?
Scary, and this is what our pres. considers a good education.
This country debates the morality of teaching some of the most solid
science on the books; geology, biology, evolution, climatology,
cosmology-off the top of my head, and you think we should continue as a
technological leader? Don't be so naive. We're coasting at this point.
Whatever you do, don't blame it on the kids. They're dealing, as well
as we've equipped them (Ha!), with the world we've made for them.

Shawn

Why don't you try moving? I recommend France, Germany, or how about
Iraq?


France and Germany don't have nut cases forcing creationism to be taught
as science in the public schools. This is one reason why we are
coasting. I suspect if they teach it in schools in Iraq, it's because
of US policy.



Shawn