Hillsboro Air Show

On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:32:19 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote:

Don Homuth wrote:


Go visit the national archives.

"Armed Guard" means absolutely NOTHING.

Heh!

Love it when you're so intense!

Nothing gets developed anywhere without city, county, or state
approval, any of them or all of them, depending upon the project. This
didn't happen in a vacuum. The city and or county issued building
permits for all of that housing. Government was complicit. And it
had to be. That is prime residential real estate. It's the airport
that's out of place.

Besides, to any thinking person with half a brain it was fully
foreseeable that real estate in that area would become urbanized.
That's one reason why thinking people with a full brain have serious
problems with city and county urban planners. They don't know what
they are doing.

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(=?iso-8859-1?q?Spread_Eagle_=AE?=) says...
Nothing gets developed anywhere without city, county, or state
approval, any of them or all of them, depending upon the project. This
didn't happen in a vacuum. The city and or county issued building
permits for all of that housing. Government was complicit. And it
had to be. That is prime residential real estate. It's the airport
that's out of place.

Besides, to any thinking person with half a brain it was fully
foreseeable that real estate in that area would become urbanized.
That's one reason why thinking people with a full brain have serious
problems with city and county urban planners. They don't know what
they are doing.

Airplanes fly over populated areas all the time, and occasionally one
crashes. Accidents happen. The best way of dealing with the problem is
to improve air safety, not move the airport to some remote area where
nobody will use it. The Hillsboro Airport gets a lot of traffic
precisely because it is so convenient.

If people want to live next to an airport, it's their business, not
yours. Caveat emptor. It's not like the existence of the airport is a
secret.

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Don Homuth wrote:

-snip-

One of the Pommy bombers used four RR Merlins, if memory serves. A
friend who was at an airshow there said That was quite the experience.

Both the Halifax and the Lancaster used Merlins - though the
approximately 2000 Halifax Mk. IIIs and 300 Lancaster Mk.IIs used
Hercules radial engines instead of the Merlin inlines.

I think there's but two airworthy Lancasters remaining - one with the
Battle of Britain Memorial Flight in England (though the Lancaster
entered service long after the BoB was over - but heh, close enough!)
and the other with the Canadian War Plane Heritage group in Ontario, Canada.

Don't think there are any airworthy Halifaxes remaining so it was likely
one of the Lancasters.

Peace and justice,

Larry Caldwell wrote:

Airplanes fly over populated areas all the time, and occasionally one
crashes. Accidents happen. The best way of dealing with the problem is
to improve air safety, not move the airport to some remote area where
nobody will use it. The Hillsboro Airport gets a lot of traffic
precisely because it is so convenient.

If people want to live next to an airport, it's their business, not
yours. Caveat emptor. It's not like the existence of the airport is a
secret.


Usually airports are placed as out of the way as possible, and if they
must be in populated areas, the minimization of take off and landing
corridors passing over residential areas as much as possible is done.

But my comment was actually pertinent to the air show, that it's a
disaster waiting to happen, and that as such it should be relocated.
Another poster interpreted that to mean moving the airport, an idea I
got on board, mainly because Washington County is going to get a major
airport ala PDX sooner or later. The population there is going to
require it. I don't believe that the present Hillsboro location can or
will fill that need. They might as well start planning for it now.

Don Homuth wrote:

On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:32:19 GMT, Lobby Dosser
wrote:

Don Homuth wrote:


Go visit the national archives.

"Armed Guard" means absolutely NOTHING.

Heh!

Love it when you're so intense!


Great when you are So Stupid.

On 17 Nov 2006 18:33:38 -0800, "Spread Eagle ®"
wrote:

Nothing gets developed anywhere without city, county, or state
approval, any of them or all of them, depending upon the project. This
didn't happen in a vacuum.

The cities and counties do not have complete authority over what gets
developed or even zoned. The appeals process for developers can trump
local zoning or approval actions easily enough.

The city and or county issued building
permits for all of that housing. Government was complicit. And it
had to be. That is prime residential real estate. It's the airport
that's out of place.

The airport was there first -- back into the 1930's, if what's written
is correct.

Besides, to any thinking person with half a brain it was fully
foreseeable that real estate in that area would become urbanized.

It's foreseeable that Most real estate within a hundred miles of any
urban area will become developed. It just takes time to do it.

That's one reason why thinking people with a full brain have serious
problems with city and county urban planners. They don't know what
they are doing.

Sure they do. They take what's there when they start, and attempt to
come up with ways to deal with things from that point forward.
Precisely None of the urban planners involved in Hillsboro were there
when the airport was first emplaced.

But this is easy and simple enough to solve:

Have the Real Estate types make an offer for the airport property,
such that it pays for the value of the airport in place, pays for
replacement property on which to develop a new airport, pays for the
search costs of finding the replacement property, and pays for the
expense of moving from one site to another.

That's the Free Market approach to the Hillsboro airport.

So - let the bidding begin!

And if no real estate developer wishes to do that, then let them
remain quiet until someone comes up with a way to defray the public
costs of replacing it so the real estate developers can benefit from
the action.

Seem fair to you?

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Don Homuth wrote:


The cities and counties do not have complete authority over what gets
developed or even zoned. The appeals process for developers can trump
local zoning or approval actions easily enough.

In these events, deed notices suffice to warn the owner of potential
hazards and consequences.

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The option is to close the airport and relocate it further somewhere out,
at
the cost of tens of millions of dollars to state and federal taxpayers.
Because a handful of developers and home buyers deliberately chose to
build
their house under an airport's flight pattern.

Doesn't matter who was there first. It's the way the area grew.

Apparently, it does. The airshow and the airport remain, and the dumbass
California types who bought land around an airport and don't like jets can
either suck it up or move the hell out.

General Aviation: 1 NIMBY yuppies and land developers: 0

I remember when the Hillsboro airport was out in the middle of nowhere.
Not anymore. It's a hazard.

They shouldn't have built around it then. But they did. I say, we move the
airport under the condition that those dip****s pay for the relocation.
Airports are cheap, right?

If you stop and think about it, the beauty of it is that financially
it's a win-win deal.

Then we better move Portland International and Troutdale as well, because
those are in populated areas. The taxpayers will thank you, I'm sure.

The property that the airport sits on now, situated where it is, is primo
upscale suburban real estate. Promo.

Nevermind the expense of HAVING TO BUILD NEW AIRPORTS.

It's value to investing developers is astronomical.

Of course it is. Of course it is.

The profit from the sale would pay for the property, the building of a
bigger and more modern airport, and the move to it.

Well, then, all they have to do is build the airport on speculation so that
there's an airport ready to go when HIO shuts down.

Ready...go. No, seriously. Ready.....GO! What? Nobody's interested
in building a new airport so we can shut HIO down?
Or maybe that should be left to the taxpayers?

-c

"Spread Eagle ®" wrote in message
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Usually airports are placed as out of the way as possible, and if they
must be in populated areas, the minimization of take off and landing
corridors passing over residential areas as much as possible is done.

So are rifle ranges, but then a bunch of idiots and soccer moms buy into the
developers' brochures and build houses next to them, and then expect
sympathy.

Not Our Problem, unless you also want to close down PDX, Troutdale, LAX,
SeaTac, Dallas and any other airport that causes jets to arrive and depart
over populated areas.

Go on....get it done. We need replacement airports in place and ready to
serve before the others are shut down, the way Denver handled the Stapleton
phase-out.

But my comment was actually pertinent to the air show, that it's a
disaster waiting to happen, and that as such it should be relocated.

Nope. Developers and NIMBYs lost the day. Such is the will of the people,
which--I understand--has nothing to do with the will of the developer and
the NIMBY soccer mom, but, in this case, tough-titty-said-the-kitty.
F/A-18s inbound!

-c