Is it possible to switch from VFR to IFR and back?

Ron Garret writes:

So? That just shows that your sim isn't very good.

What happens when you let go of the controls on your Baron for 40
minutes?

Your other sources are wrong.

They are all wrong, but you are right?

You'll need a real airplane. Your sim is not adequate.

How do you know?

For some level of "constant" that is correct. You can leave it alone
for seconds to minutes, but not tens of minutes (unless you have an
autopilot and are willing to bet your life on its proper operation).

I'll have to try it.

It's not out of the question that all your sim experience would make you
a better IFR pilot than one who trained in a real airplane. Come to LA
and we'll find out.

As soon as I win the lottery.

When your gaze was going back and forth between the chart and the AI and
you forgot to look at the altimeter. (Go back a re-read the scenario.)

Why would the altimeter change? I was in level flight, nicely
trimmed.

Of course. Why would you doubt it?

Different aircraft behave in different ways.

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"Morgans" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote

I hate to say this, but feel free to block me too while you're at it.

(Ironically I've taken my jabs at mxsmanic too, but in 18 years of
reading Usenet I've never felt the need to use filters or killfiles.)

So because I feel the need to use kill files, you are so opposed to
said, you feel I should block you? I don't see the connection.

Sorry - I didn't intend for there to be any connection to the two thoughts.

In the first sentence I just felt that since I have recently replied to
Mxsmanic (and I'd like to reserve the right do so in the future), I figured
I may as well alert you now to save you some time later.

In the parenthetical remark I was just pointing out our differing
approaches (or perhaps philosophies) in how we handle annoying posters.

"Jim Logajan" wrote

In the first sentence I just felt that since I have recently replied to
Mxsmanic (and I'd like to reserve the right do so in the future), I figured
I may as well alert you now to save you some time later.

We'll just have to see how you handle the MX. I won't add you 'till needed! g
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Jim in NC

Jim Logajan wrote in
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In the first sentence I just felt that since I have recently replied
to Mxsmanic (and I'd like to reserve the right do so in the future), I
figured I may as well alert you now to save you some time later.

Why not reply by email OR reply back to the sim groups, trimming
rec.aviation.piloting and student out and spare the rest of us if you feel
the need to reply.

It's just a matter of courtesy to the rest of us who would like to see Mx
dissapear out of the rec.aviation.piloting and student newsgroups radar.

Allen

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Ron Garret writes:

So? That just shows that your sim isn't very good.

What happens when you let go of the controls on your Baron for 40
minutes?

I don't fly a baron, but I guarantee you that you will be dead.

Your other sources are wrong.

They are all wrong, but you are right?

Yes.

You'll need a real airplane. Your sim is not adequate.

How do you know?

575 hours of flying real airplanes.

It's not out of the question that all your sim experience would make you
a better IFR pilot than one who trained in a real airplane. Come to LA
and we'll find out.

As soon as I win the lottery.

Lousy excuse. You can fly round trip from Paris to LA for less than
$650.

rg

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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If I am instrument rated and my aircraft is fully equipped for
instrument flight, and I start out a flight with a VFR flight plan,
and it gets foggy enough that I'm below minimums, is there a way to
switch to IFR in flight, or do I have to have filed IFR from the
beginning? If it's possible in flight, how does it work? Is it
possible to later switch back again?

Yes you can switch between them. Just press the "~" key, and the ATC menu
will pop-up. There will be an option to open a VFR flight plan there.
Oz Lander

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A Lieberma wrote:

Ron Garret wrote in

That's the fourth time you've dropped the context, and that is (as I
warned you it would be) the limit of my patience. So I bid you adieu
and #0000FF skies.

Thanks Ron :-)

Allen

You know, Allen, between you and MX it's a real tough call for me who is
the more annoying. I've said this before, I'll say it again: aside from
his admittedly infuriating habit of dropping context, I find MX's
questions to be reasonable and well informed. In fact, given the
apparent limits of his resources I would say that MX is exceptionally
well informed, and in many cases he seems to know more than some of the
"real" pilots hanging out here, and I think that may account in no small
measure for his lack of popularity in some quarters.

I think maybe I'll continue to answer his questions just to prevent you
from coming to the mistaken conclusion that I in any way endorse your
counterproductive and ill-considered attempts at censorship.

rg

A Lieberma wrote in
. 18:

Why not reply by email OR reply back to the sim groups, trimming
rec.aviation.piloting and student out and spare the rest of us if you feel
the need to reply.

It's just a matter of courtesy to the rest of us who would like to see Mx
dissapear out of the rec.aviation.piloting and student newsgroups radar.

Allen

That's an EXCELLENT suggestion!

Ron Garret writes:

I don't fly a baron, but I guarantee you that you will be dead.

Well, I simulated it. Ninety minutes in heavy turbulence with the
autopilot off, with the aircraft trimmed for straight and level
flight. Throttles were set to allow for neutral elevator trim.

The aircraft bounced around a lot, but it lost only 200 feet in
altitude, and apparently it intended to stay there. It burned about a
quarter of its fuel. It held very approximately a straight line to
the southeast, although it drifted back and forth by 10-20 miles at a
time. Despite turbulence that sometimes had the aircraft rolling by
20 degrees or more, it remained level overall. There was no tendency
for it to flip over.

This is pretty much what I expected. Offhand, I can't see any reason
why an aircraft would suddenly destabilize itself and spin out of
control.

At the time I stopped it, it was about 1000 feet above rising terrain
(the mountains were coming up, but the aircraft was at a constant
altitude).

575 hours of flying real airplanes.

How much time have you spent with a simulator?

Lousy excuse. You can fly round trip from Paris to LA for less than
$650.

That's a month's net pay, if things go well.

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Crash Lander writes:

Yes you can switch between them. Just press the "~" key, and the ATC menu
will pop-up. There will be an option to open a VFR flight plan there.

There is no such option when using live ATC.

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