A reluctance to take the controls

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Jose wrote:

For the same reason Russian Roulette would be a dumb example.

Well, no. Russian Roulette does not provide any benefits for the
player.

Well, yes. There is the rush of playing. While so few play it, those
that do must see a benefit to it.

This is not just my opinion,

opinion.

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Well, yes. There is the rush of playing.

Is that why they call it RUSSian roulette?

(ok, I'll go sit in the corner)

Jose
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"Jay Beckman" wrote:
Please Don't feed the Troll...

Arrrgh. Who is the troll?

Why our little Albatross, Mx, of course!!

What was the final disposition on your baby by the way? I don't recall if
you said it was salvagable or not?

Jay

"Mxsmanic" wrote in

That is a negative point for some men, also, including myself. I was
never into cars in the way that standard men are because I had
absolutely no interest in playing around with engines covered in
filth, and small aircraft unfortunately also use this type of engine.

Can't drive really well either.

It is true that most men seem to enjoy such things. It mystifies me.
I'm the exception among my sex rather than the rule, though.

Anything else about masculinity that mystifies you?

There are other aspects of flying that can have a gender-neutral
appeal, and I suppose these aspects attract the female pilots more
than the male pilots. For example, the sensations of flying or the
psychological satisfactions of piloting one's own plane could appeal
to someone of either sex. The mechanical aspects, the machine
aspects, and the turning dials would appeal to males. Some aspects of
navigation might appeal strongly to women, as they tend to be good at
some of the operations involved (such as arithmetic and memory tasks).

That's so sexist.

I'd expect piloting of airliners to appeal more to women than piloting
of small GA aircraft, because airliners have less of a mechanical
tinkering aspect to them and a higher intellectual workload, and
airline work has more social aspects. I'd also expect to see more
female air traffic controllers (percentage wise) than female pilots,
because ATC is a much more gender-neutral type of intellectual work.

Wrong.

There are many differences between men and women in the type of tasks
they prefer (which are often also the tasks at which they excel), and
this has an effect on the percentage of each sex working in each
profession. Men like things; women like people. Men like math, but
women like arithmetic. Men like spatial visualization, women like
memorization. And so on.

Crap.

Add to that the large number of men who
make women feel like their questions are dumb or that they don't belong
and aren't welcome (yes, there ARE still many out there!), and it's no
wonder the ratio is not 50/50.

Just seeing how some pilots talk on this newsgroup makes it clear that
some of them are still living in the nineteenth century when it come
to gender issues.

In summary, I should think that a good part of the dearth of female
pilots is attributable to machismo, but the rest is due to a simple
difference in preferences between men and women. I think it's
important for women to have the same opportunity as men to become
pilots. But I don't think it's important to try to force the numbers
to come out 50/50.

So how would you facilitate "opportunity"?

moo

Removing factors that might discourage women will bring more women to
flying, but chances are that they will never be as interested in it as
men. This seems to apply to all motor vehicles, not just aircraft.

I'd be careful how you phrase it ...
There will likely never be as MANY women interested in flying as men,
but some of us are definitely *just AS interested* as any male pilot.

I truly hope that someday women will cringe when they read your
statement, above, just as they do now when we read how women regarded
driving, golfing and tennis as "men's sports" in the early 20th
century.

GA's best hope of survival right now is the woman pilot. We need more
of them, fast.
--
Jay Honeck
(Former Chicago Tribune Employee)
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
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"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Removing factors that might discourage women will bring more women to
flying, but chances are that they will never be as interested in it as
men. This seems to apply to all motor vehicles, not just aircraft.

I'd be careful how you phrase it ...
There will likely never be as MANY women interested in flying as men,
but some of us are definitely *just AS interested* as any male pilot.

I truly hope that someday women will cringe when they read your
statement, above, just as they do now when we read how women regarded
driving, golfing and tennis as "men's sports" in the early 20th
century.

Not to mention shooting, engaging in free sex...

"Jay Beckman" wrote:
What was the final disposition on your baby by the way?
I don't recall if you said it was salvagable or not?

Totaled. :-(
We are more grateful to be alive than anyone can imagine--a real event
like that makes it *SO clear* how much good LUCK (after extremely BAD
luck) is involved when people survive!

But it still hurts to lose something you put so much of your heart and
soul into passionately restoring. No gender difference there...I
challenge anyone to say I'm less upset than any male airplane owner
would be.

Shirl

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:16:25 -0700, unicate wrote:

"Jay Beckman" wrote:
What was the final disposition on your baby by the way?
I don't recall if you said it was salvagable or not?

Totaled. :-(
We are more grateful to be alive than anyone can imagine--a real event
like that makes it *SO clear* how much good LUCK (after extremely BAD
luck) is involved when people survive!

But it still hurts to lose something you put so much of your heart and
soul into passionately restoring. No gender difference there...I
challenge anyone to say I'm less upset than any male airplane owner
would be.

Shirl

Sorry to hear that.... FWIW, it doesn't take much for an insurance
adjuster to "total" a damaged aircraft these days (especially if it is
under-insured). Repair costs (labor, parts & materials) being what
they are, adjusters often jump at the chance to pay out the insured
amount & offer what's left over up for salvage to recover some of
their cost.

I'm involved on the aircraft recovery end, and the amount folks
bid on the crashed/wrecked carcasses (often times sight un-seen)
never ceases to amaze me!

Bela P. Havasreti

Newps,

Neither do drugs.


Let's have a beer on that. Or a smoke.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Thomas Borchert wrote:

Let's have a beer on that. Or a smoke.

I'll just have my highly caffienated sugar-laced soda, thankyouverymuch

:-)

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