First Solo and Total Hours Flown

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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FWIW: I soloed with 1.5 hours logged.

How many NOT logged?

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Haven't got a clue, they weren't logged. But unlogged hours included cross
country trips, three point and wheel landings (tail dragger donchaknow),
hoodwork (my brother thought it was entertaining to put me under the hood
and play "you got it"(His son is now flying Part 135 in a King Air.)),
stalls, I don't recall doing spins - but it's been a lot of years, general
"airwork" stuff. I probably could have passed a check ride by the time I
decided to go after getting the paperwork and actually signed up with a
_certified_ flight instuctor. The 1.5 hours was more of a check ride than
"instruction".

I think the trip we took from Michigan to Alaska was after I soloed, but I'm
pretty sure we flew to Oshkosh before...

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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FWIW: I soloed with 1.5 hours logged.

How many NOT logged?

;-)
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Haven't got a clue, they weren't logged. But unlogged hours included cross
country trips, three point and wheel landings (tail dragger donchaknow),
hoodwork (my brother thought it was entertaining to put me under the hood
and play "you got it"(His son is now flying Part 135 in a King Air.)),
stalls, I don't recall doing spins - but it's been a lot of years, general
"airwork" stuff. I probably could have passed a check ride by the time I
decided to go after getting the paperwork and actually signed up with a
_certified_ flight instuctor. The 1.5 hours was more of a check ride than
"instruction".

I think the trip we took from Michigan to Alaska was after I soloed, but
I'm pretty sure we flew to Oshkosh before...


Oh, I forgot. My brother was flying a Citabria for a while, so I had done
spins, rolls, and loops before I soloed. I guess I am getting senile.

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"Judah" wrote in message
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"Greengears" wrote in
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Every pilot out there will never forget their first Solo. But there has
always been this nagging questions as to should there be a minimum
amount of hours flown before a pilot can be allowed to Solo. I have
seen pilots solo in as little as 9 hours and as high as 75 hours.
I know most of you will say that it should vary from pilot to pilot.
But should there be a minimum amount of hours flown?

Perhaps there should be a minimum number of landings rather than a minimum
number of hours....

Why? Is there a _REAL_ problem you are trying to solve? Are you aware of
flight insructors sending students off to solo without at least the minimum
skills?

So far this thread has 72 entries, but no one seems to have identified any
real need for "minimums".

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Regarding the WW2 pilot almost 4 hour solo...

I'm not judging your piloting skills... the point of a minimum time in
my honest oppinion to to give a person familiarity with his/her
surroundings (like when you first drove a car and needed some time to
figure things out), you (I'm assuming you're the fighter pilot) was
brilliant at military airfield procedures, but probably (if you were at
a slightly busy airport) would have benefited a bit from familiarity
with what is going on around you.

PLEASE do not confuse familiarity with ability.


And if you are already familier, why would you need more hours logged?

Again. WHY? Is there a REAL problem with premature solo's that you are aware
of? Or is this just "What if a flight instructor doesn't do his/her job?"
speculation?

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"Stefan" wrote in message
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Peter Duniho schrieb:

I'll point out that in my opinion, discipline and patience ARE skills.

No. I have yet to find an individual who doesn't show discipline when he
is offered the chance to learn something he is *really* interested in.

Either you haven't met enough people, or you're using tautology to define
"really interested in".

I have met plenty of people who do not seem to be able to muster enough
discipline to really learn something that they are interested in.

On the other hand, I wouldn't show the slightest discipline myself if I
were asked to learn to play golf. You may argue that I'm not "cut to be a
golfer".

We're not talking about people who "were asked to learn to fly an airplane".
We're talking about people who profess an interest in doing so. Even among
that group of people, there are individuals who fail to show enough
discipline to accomplish the task.

Pete

Peter Duniho schrieb:

Either you haven't met enough people, or you're using tautology to define
"really interested in".

I have met an awful lot of people who had been labeled as hopeless
cases. The more I've met, the more I've learnt that the (sometimes
difficult) trick is to find out what they are interested in. What makes
this particularly difficult is that those people mostly don't know it
themselves.

I have met plenty of people who do not seem to be able to muster enough
discipline to really learn something that they are interested in.

Then they were not really interested. Note that we're not talking about
earning a Ph.D. or achieving some world record, which is in fact beyond
the limits of some.

We're not talking about people who "were asked to learn to fly an airplane".
We're talking about people who profess an interest in doing so.

I myself have done a couple of things in my life which I thought (and
professed) I was interested in and realized only later that this wasn't
really the case. I mostly realized it when I asked myself why I lost
discipline. So why did I start it then in the first place? Wrong
expectations, influence by friends, social pressure, whatever. Often the
simple desire to brag is confused with interest. And flying is
particularly suited for bragging.

Stefan

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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FWIW: I soloed with 1.5 hours logged.

How many NOT logged?

;-)


Ok, I just looked in the log book - I actually had 2 hours and 5 minutes
logged. Not 1.5 hours.

Sorry for the error. I was working from memory.

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"Stefan" wrote in message
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I have met plenty of people who do not seem to be able to muster enough
discipline to really learn something that they are interested in.

Then they were not really interested.

Ahh, yes...and the tautology raises its ugly head. Congratulations.

Peter Duniho schrieb:

Ahh, yes...and the tautology raises its ugly head. Congratulations.

It's debatable at which point connection ends and tautology begins.

There is no REAL problem I am trying to solve. I have seen incompetent
pilots who have been allowed to solo by their instructors and I have
also seen new instructors who have not allowed their students to solo
for a long time because they were more afraid of their license.
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
"Judah" wrote in message
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"Greengears" wrote in
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80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:

Every pilot out there will never forget their first Solo. But there has
always been this nagging questions as to should there be a minimum
amount of hours flown before a pilot can be allowed to Solo. I have
seen pilots solo in as little as 9 hours and as high as 75 hours.
I know most of you will say that it should vary from pilot to pilot.
But should there be a minimum amount of hours flown?

Perhaps there should be a minimum number of landings rather than a minimum
number of hours....

Why? Is there a _REAL_ problem you are trying to solve? Are you aware of
flight insructors sending students off to solo without at least the minimum
skills?

So far this thread has 72 entries, but no one seems to have identified any
real need for "minimums".

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