Taking newbies flying...

Morgans wrote:

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My theory is that it all goes back to will controlling the sensations. While
you were doing the acro, you were no doubt concentrating on not being sick.
Afterward, you relaxed, and the disorientation done before finally did it's
work.

I have my own sailing story that says much the same thing.

I was racing in a 16 foot Albacore on Lake Ontario and we had been
bouncing around all morning during the first race with no ill effects.
Then they called a lunch break while we basically bobbed around and
nibbled a bit. Both I and the fellow with me were very queasy, although
we did managed to hold lunch down... barely. At the start of the next
race we were focussed on lining up and sailing for the line and we both
felt better. However, the start was called back, and during the 20
minutes before the next one we were both queasy again.

I am prone to motion sickness, and the best thing I have found is to
get my mind as far out of the vehicle as possible.

John Halpenny

"Mark Levin" wrote

I'm surprised the passenger had no issue w/right rudder during the takeoff
roll and rotation. Left turning tendency certainly isn't something most
non-pilots expect.

Could be well read, could be that he just has good observation/hand-eye
coordination, and a natural feel.

You hear that from time to time when talking about a pilot, and not just a
"blowing smoke up the *ss" type of comment, either.

None-the-less, I think it is entirely possible to observe and correctly react to
the actions of another's flying, while remaining safe.
--
Jim in NC

"mad8" wrote in message
ups.com...
does anybody know where the regulation is? i can't find it in the FAR
but then again, i'm not anywhere near an expert

There is no regulation. It's not prohibited, so there's no regulation that
says it's prohibited. The absence of such a regulation is how you know it's
not prohibited.

mad8 writes:

does anybody know where the regulation is? i can't find it in the FAR
but then again, i'm not anywhere near an expert

There isn't any. It's the _absence_ of a specific prohibition that
makes it legal. There has to be a licensed pilot in command on board
the aircraft, who takes responsibility for operation of that aircraft,
but nothing in the regulations requires him or her to actually be at
the controls ... which means that it is legal for anyone to control
the plane.

I believe it is indeed inherited from maritime law, wherein the
captain of a vessel is master and commander of that vessel with very
broad authority.

Note that refusing to obey the commands of the pilot in command would
be mutiny. So if the PIC tells a passenger to give up the controls
and the latter refuses to do so, it's a felony.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:29:52 -0600, "Dan Luke"
wrote:

...offers endless opportunities for screwing up the experience for them, as
I've demonstrated yet again.

My business partner's 21-yr. old son has been hinting around for a few years
that he wanted to try flying sometime. When he finally asked outright to
take a flight, I was happy to agree, especially since he would be bringing
along his supermodel-quality girlfriend.

So T_ and M_ showed up at the airport Saturday afternoon. T_ was interested
in everything that was happening on the ramp and M_ was stopping students
and flight instructors in mid-sentence as she walked by. The weather was
perfect and this was going to be great fun.

After the walkaround and passenger briefing, I got my pax headsetted and
buckled in and gave T_ a description of how the controls worked. I let him
steer on the long taxi out to RWY 36. Cleared for takeoff, I let him
control the yoke. He did fine on the rotation and climbout, so I let him
make the climbing 180 deg. left turn to our departure heading. He did that
fine, too. Once I got T_ trimmed out and flying level, I turned to M_ in
the back seat to ask how she was doing.

Ummm..., not so well: M_ had the look of someone who had just stared death
in the face.

" Doing OK, M_?"

I have a short story based on real experiences of real people and
pilots although they may be composites of multiple flights. The names
are changed to protect the innocent. Any one who has been around this
NG for a while will recognize at least a couple of the situations.:-)
and not they are not all my experiences.

http://www.rogerhalstead.com/flight.htm

Although this is from 95 I started a series about 2 or 3 years earlier
for our Barstow Aeroclub which was an airport support group. This is
prior to EAA Chapter 1093 forming.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote

My first career was as a dive instructor and I've been out in 12 foot seas
myself, although in a bigger (35') boat.

12 foot seas in deep water is a lot different than in 18' deep water. The
steepness of the wave, because of how close the waves are to each other makes a
huge difference.

12 waves on the ocean is just starting to be good sailing. On Western Lake
Erie, 12 foot makes for ...

Not so good! g
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
12 waves on the ocean is just starting to be good sailing. On Western Lake
Erie, 12 foot makes for ...

Not so good! g


I don't have any fresh water experience to judge from but I can tell you I found
the seas plenty exciting, especially as I was up on the flying bridge hanging on
for dear life. If I went below I'd have to smell puke, which is similar to
yawning. One person does it; everybody wants to...



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

Mxsmanic wrote:
...
I believe it is indeed inherited from maritime law, wherein
the captain of a vessel is master and commander of that vessel
with very broad authority.

Note that refusing to obey the commands of the pilot in
command would be mutiny. So if the PIC tells a passenger to
give up the controls and the latter refuses to do so, it's a
felony.

Oh, my. A private aircraft flight, not involving terrorism? A
federal criminal statute may exist, so if so, please cite it for
us, to prove you know how to research and understand the law.
Cite two numbers with "USC" in the middle. Forget state law; a
generic statute should fit, but it has nothing specifically to do
with pilots, airplanes, or maritime law.

F--

TxSrv wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

...
I believe it is indeed inherited from maritime law, wherein
the captain of a vessel is master and commander of that vessel
with very broad authority.

Note that refusing to obey the commands of the pilot in
command would be mutiny. So if the PIC tells a passenger to
give up the controls and the latter refuses to do so, it's a
felony.


Oh, my. A private aircraft flight, not involving terrorism? A
federal criminal statute may exist, so if so, please cite it for us, to
prove you know how to research and understand the law. Cite two numbers
with "USC" in the middle. Forget state law; a generic statute should
fit, but it has nothing specifically to do with pilots, airplanes, or
maritime law.

You might find this interesting...

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia...9/crm01406.htm

The above scenario would seem to fit the
description of "interfering with a flight
crew" and reading the narrative, I would
tend to think it would apply to GA as well
as commercial flights. The act of refusing
to relinquish the flight controls does not
seem to meet the definition of mutiny,

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia...9/crm01407.htm

though it might easily escalate to it...

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:12:40 -0500, TxSrv wrote:

Oh, my. A private aircraft flight, not involving terrorism? A
federal criminal statute may exist, so if so, please cite it for
us, to prove you know how to research and understand the law.
Cite two numbers with "USC" in the middle. Forget state law; a
generic statute should fit, but it has nothing specifically to do
with pilots, airplanes, or maritime law.

Just to ask, is 49 USC 46504 restricted to commercial ops?