Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

In article ,
A Lieberma wrote:

Hmmm, aren't all electronics stowed below 10,000 feet.

PORTABLE electronics. If they shut off the aircraft-installed radios
below 10,000, it would make communications with the tower a little
difficult. :-)

Buck Murdock wrote in news:nobody-
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PORTABLE electronics. If they shut off the aircraft-installed radios
below 10,000, it would make communications with the tower a little
difficult. :-)

Good point. Guess they better at least leave the radios on until they hear
they have been cleared to land..... *big smile*

What I meant to say was that I thought that all headphones must be off
below 10,000 feet for the ability to hear instructions.

"Jay Beckman" wrote in
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United's Channel 9 (when the captain allows) is usually available from
battery on to shutdown. I've listened to the ATIS, clearance, push,
taxi, takeoff, etc with the only interuptions being the safety
briefing and what's for lunch.

Hopefully Continental will do the same tomorrow when I leave from HOU to
HNL :-)) as JAN to HOU, lil RJs are not outfitted with channel niners.

Allen

"A Lieberma" wrote in message
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"Jay Beckman" wrote in
:

United's Channel 9 (when the captain allows) is usually available from
battery on to shutdown. I've listened to the ATIS, clearance, push,
taxi, takeoff, etc with the only interuptions being the safety
briefing and what's for lunch.

Hopefully Continental will do the same tomorrow when I leave from HOU to
HNL :-)) as JAN to HOU, lil RJs are not outfitted with channel niners.

Allen

AFAIK,

United is the only carrier that has ATC on the entertainment system.

Jay B

In article ,
A Lieberma wrote:

Hopefully Continental will do the same tomorrow when I leave from HOU to
HNL :-)) as JAN to HOU, lil RJs are not outfitted with channel niners.

United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

Frankly, though, choosing between Continental and United is a
no-brainer. I'd rather ride on Continental any day of the week, even
without "channel 9." Nicer planes, better food.

A Lieberma writes:

What I meant to say was that I thought that all headphones must be off
below 10,000 feet for the ability to hear instructions.

Safety announcements can override all audio channels, so it isn't
necessary to take headphones off to hear them.

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Buck Murdock wrote:
United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the
90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal...

American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago,
but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out
front and looking straight down.

Regards, Kev

A Lieberma wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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I had a similar experience on a United flight into Little Rock AR a
few years ago. I was listening to the channel while we were on final
and the tower calls "United 456, GO AROUND GO AROUND, Aircraft on the
runway." Before the second "Go Around" had been called the engines
got real loud. The tower then told the Baron to clear the active,
contact ground and call the tower at XXX-XXXX when able.

We were own very short final. And I have no doubt the pilot saw the
runway incurrtion at the same time the tower did.

Hmmm, aren't all electronics stowed below 10,000 feet. I would have
thought that all audio and movie channels would be turned off by the
captain, especially short final?

Allen

The audio channels where on during this flight. I would assume that the
audio system in airlines would be certified for in-flight use. Since I got
an I-Pod I haven't listened to the audio they provide but back then the only
time you couldn't hear the audio channels was when the crew override kicked
in.

"Kev" wrote in message
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Buck Murdock wrote:
United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the
90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal...

American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

Personally, I can't imagine much more pain and suffering beyond the
realization that you are knife-edge (and still rolling) in a DC10...

I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago,
but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out
front and looking straight down.

Flew Egypt Air 777 to Cairo and it had a forward-looking camera on the nose
gear. Cool view on a long final approach to land.

Jay B

Jay Beckman wrote:
"Kev" wrote in message
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American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

Personally, I can't imagine much more pain and suffering beyond the
realization that you are knife-edge (and still rolling) in a DC10...

Yeah, no kidding, but to lawyers it's a big deal. Some states allow
suing for the pain and suffering that goes between the incident and
death.

So apparently the amount of time that someone is consciously
terrorized, can be a major factor in death (or for that matter, life if
they make it) compensation. If the insurance company can prove that
everyone was knocked unconcious, then there's far less non-pecuniary
damages allowed than if the passengers were awake... during a 30,000
foot fall, for example.

This kind of compensation doesn't apply over international ocean, due
to the Death on the High Seas act.

IANAL, Kev