Checklist exchange

B A R R Y wrote:


I call OUT the storm window, not to anyone inside.

That's why we call it the "clear prop window". Not
much good for anything else.

Andrey Serbinenko wrote:

Your checklist omits a number of important items and actually
has some real dangerous errors. What do you have against the
POH? If you want to add extra steps or amplification, I'd
start with the POH one rather than making it up from scratch.
Cessna did put a little bit of thought into over the years.


PRE-FLIGHT

Why don't you use the POH one? This misses a TON of important stuff
that's in the POH like visual fuel quantity checks, sumping the tanks,
etc...

16. fuel selector both

You seem to love to switch fuel selectors all over (see below)

17. key verify removed

You take the key out before you fly? Odd. My checklist says "make sure
it's not in your pants pocket dummy." Never rely on the fact that the
keys are not in the lock to make sure the mags are grounded. The
172 (and most other light planes) have crappy ignition locks. Always
treat the prop as if the mags are hot.

4. landing light check

Check how?

10. all lights verify off

Huh? What difference does it make if the master is off.
Actually, I leave the beacon on all the time. Makes it handy
to know you left the master on and warns people nearby as soon
as you switch on the amster.


19. lights on

What lights? You already turned them on a few steps earlier?

6. alt static/VSI check

Check? How about saying what you are checking for.
The alt static and the VSI are completely different items
and I have no idea why they are merged on this line.
The VSI should be checked for the "level flight" setting.
The Alt Static just should be closed.

7. comm 1,2 check

Gosh I hope you're not one of those guys who chews up the UNICOM
asking for radio checks all over the place.


9. transponder test
10. vor 1,2 test
11. adf test

How so?

16. fuel selector left

What? Now is not the time to be setting the fuel selector to
a non-takeoff position. Both is what the book calls for.
LEFT is a REALLY REALLY BAD answer in the 172. If you
want to put it on one tank (which I don't agree with)
you should use the FULLEST. The left tank is usually
not the FULLEST in a 172.


1. nose straight

Nose straight isn't important, into the wind might help
a bit.

2. parking brake set

I know this is what the POH says, but the Pakring break is balky
on a lot of 152/172's. If you're going to set it, you better
put an item to release it and verify it actually did release.


8. fuel selector right

Again stop doing this.

9. throttle 1700 rpm
10. oil pressure/temp check
11. vacuum check
12. ammeter check under load
13. magnetos check
14. carb heat check
15. idle check
16. fuel selector both
17. primer verify locked

This is NOT the POH run up check. You omitted setting the MIXTURE
properly which needs to be done after step 9.


7. carb heat as required

ON in the 172 especially with the Continental powered ones.

Andrey Serbinenko wrote:
Everybody's using checklists. I've started with the stuff from POH, plus
whatever my instructor recommended, and then over time more and more little
things got added to them out of experience. Yet more things got added as I
started my instrument training. The basic stuff is probably not so interesting
since it is everywhere. What is indeed interesting, I think, is those little
things that other people may have in their checklists that I don't have --
stuff that's grown out of individual mistakes. Often you can arrange things in
such a way that it makes making a mistake more difficult and so on.
I'm going to proceed and publish here some of my C172 checklists. If that
turns out to be interesting, I also have my RG/complex checklists for Cutlass.
Hope this is going to result in a fruitful exchange of information...

==============================================


I always wonder how people who rely on tons of checklists would manage
if we took your checklists away ???

:-)

Duncan wrote :
13. clear prop call

who does that achieve these days - why "call it"? - just look around
(what else is required). What purpose does calling it out achieve to
those in the plane. I feel it's antiquated. I just have a good look
around (the *outside*) to see that no-one is near to walk into the
thing
when it's spinning.

The purpose is the same as it's always been. To warn anyone nearby
that the prop is about to turn into a meat grinder. I'm not sure what
you're flying, but many of the planes I fly do not allow me to see
everything around me. Also, I've had my head in the cockpit for the
past few minutes, performing the prestart checks and I haven't been
concentrating on the movements of passerbys.

As a student, I got an excellent demonstration of how the call can
save the day. A student had his head in the cockpit, doing prestart
checks and a nearby pilot noticed that he'd left the front wheel
chocked. This helpful, but not overly bright, fellow headed for the
nosewheel chock while the student wasn't looking. Fortunately, the
student yelled "clear prop" while the helpful goofball was still a few
feet away (but bent over where the student couldn't see him). Nobody
noticed any of this until the pilot yelled "clear prop". As usual,
everyone nearby turned to look when the call was made. The helpful
idiot immediately got out of the way, and everyone else on the ramp was
waving and yelling at the student to stop.

If you could assume everyone on the ramp is thinking clearly and
knowledgable about airplanes, you could probably omit the call.
Unfortunately, real life ramps are not like that. My instructor
always emphasized the importance of not only yelling "clear prop", but
also waiting for a few seconds after the call to allow people time to
get out of the way. I see way too many people who make the call and
hit the starter at about the same time.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


--
JGalban
Posted at www.flight.org

Newps wrote:
Wow, you've made flying incredibly difficult. And here for VFR flying I
don't need a checklist. There's nothing that, if missed, will kill you.
My only assumption is I don't forget to do the runup the first flight
of the day.

I recall that attitudes like that have caused many unnecessary
incidents/accidents. To each his own.

Check? How about saying what you are checking for.

Well, it is a "check" list. More to the point, it is not a flying
instruction booklet. One presumes the user knows what the item means.

Jose
--
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Duncan (NZ) wrote:

13. clear prop call

who does that achieve these days - why "call it"? - just look around
(what else is required). What purpose does calling it out achieve to

As others have said, it's not what you can see, it's who you can't.

That said, I've wondered if "CLEAR PROP" isn't the best thing to say,
the main people you are worried about are people not aviation-minded,
most airfield regulars are going to be prop-concious as a rule, but Joe
Bloggs might not, and he also might not realise the significance of
CLEAR PROP.

Perhaps something more verbose "STAND CLEAR, STARTING UP" should be
adopted.

Also, behooves the pilot to wait a couple of seconds before hitting the
starter after yelling it, no good calling and pressing the go button
almost simultaneously, as I have seen a number of pilots do.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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BDS wrote:


I prefer "LOOK OUT!!!"



Or just in case the flight ends badly and you want to give us something to
talk about.

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Duncan (NZ) wrote:

13. clear prop call

who does that achieve these days - why "call it"? - just look around
(what else is required). What purpose does calling it out achieve to

As others have said, it's not what you can see, it's who you can't.

If you can't see them, then they're nowhere near the prop (unless
they're sneakin' about on their bellies under the fuselage somewhere -
in which case they deserve chopping up


That said, I've wondered if "CLEAR PROP" isn't the best thing to say,
the main people you are worried about are people not aviation-minded,
most airfield regulars are going to be prop-concious as a rule, but Joe
Bloggs might not, and he also might not realise the significance of
CLEAR PROP.

Perhaps something more verbose "STAND CLEAR, STARTING UP" should be
adopted.

Also, behooves the pilot to wait a couple of seconds before hitting the
starter after yelling it, no good calling and pressing the go button
almost simultaneously, as I have seen a number of pilots do.



--
Duncan

Duncan (NZ) wrote:
If you can't see them, then they're nowhere near the prop (unless
they're sneakin' about on their bellies under the fuselage somewhere -

Or they are a child, or you are in a tail dragger with zero forward vis
on the ground.