"Rolling" to ATC

On 4 Feb 2007 18:37:32 -0800, "chris"
wrote:

On Feb 5, 3:17 pm, Roger wrote:
On 4 Feb 2007 12:30:46 -0800, "chris"
wrote:





On Feb 5, 6:59 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

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In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have
been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with
them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't
generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield..

We don't even then. Typically when leaving the hold line the pilot
will announce XXX departing runway (what ever) at (airport name)

At controlled fields requiring a read back, if it's only XXX cleared
for departure (or take off), I just acknowledge with my N#. If there
is more to the clearance/instructions I will repeat an abbreviated
version. If I receive instructions from the tower for runway 050 such
as XXX on departure, fly runway heading, climb to and maintain two
thousand five hundred., cleared for the departure. Then I'll read
back, zero five zero, two thousand five hundred, cleared for
departure, XXX.
However if told to expedite, I will acknowledge the expedite.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)www.rogerhalstead.com- Hide quoted text -

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Interesting...

Just slightly off topic - here in NZ there's usually so little traffic
outside the main centres it's also not uncommon for people to spend
far too long chatting to their mates and blocking up the radio..
Especially on 119.1 which seems to cover just about every uncontrolled
airfield, at least in my part of the country.. Damn annoying when that
happens!

We have something similar on 122.8 and 129.0. When it's a nice week
end day both frequencies will be crowced with legit traffic. Then
some one will start up a conversation or end up sitting on the mike
button.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Mxsmanic wrote:
Casey Wilson writes:

NOTICE!!!!
Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.

The current topic is communication with ATC, not flying by the seat of
the pants, and in this context, real aircraft experience is
irrelevant. If you think otherwise, please explain why, specifically.

Because you have received no training nor have you passed any of the
testing required for the operation of a aircraft. In this case you are
asking about communication with ATC which for you is also composed of
simulation users who may or may not have received any formal training
and there is just no way of knowing if they are following the same rules
as the ATC that pilots have to deal with. As you have said so many
times, you don't anything that is said on this group at face value,
therefor why should we? Casey is just making it clear to anyone who
happens into this thread without knowing your background to be wary of
anything you say as it's likely to be wrong.

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says...

"chris" wrote

I dunno what country you fly in, but I am talking about New Zealand,
and the rules here are obviously somewhat different to wherever you
fly..

Wow, you have to read back about everything.

What is there that you DO NOT have to read back?

Seriously?

Ground controllers - w' the exception of taxi intructions, typically
we'd read that back. Otherwise an acknowlegement is fine.

Advisory service, ie, Information, you'd just read back the QNH.

Tower and Control - you copy back the lot (they wanna know you've got it
right).

--
Duncan

In article . com, pa28_
says...
On Feb 5, 12:42 pm, Duncan (NZ) wrote:
In article ,
says...

chris writes:

In this country (NZ) we seem to hear 'rolling' from people who have
been trained at uncontrolled airfields and seem to bring that with
them when flying into controlled airfields. The rest of us don't
generally say it until we get to an uncontrolled airfield..

Do you say anything prior to the take-off? If so, what do you add by
saying "rolling"? (If not, I can understand why you'd say it,
although by the time you _are_ rolling, it's a bit late to warn anyone
who might be in your way.)

At an uncontrolled field, basically what you're up to...

taxi 02
lining up and rolling 02

--
Duncan

Which is what we are supposed to do, although I have been for a very
scary flight in a Cherokee Charger at Raglan where the dude made no
radio calls the whole trip, did no run-up, climbed with the stall
warning lit up the whole way up, on a very very rough day, did his
circuit the wrong direction, then slammed it on the runway and skidded
sideways to a stop. I think he was quite pleased with himself..

Don't worry, the same thing happens at Wigram too - in fact there's a
dude there that's gonna get his arse busted one day by CAA (someone will
complain), or... he'll take someone out. When *he* wants to fly, he
just cranks it up and rolls away (no runway req'd! - just nails it.

--
Duncan

Crash Lander wrote:
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message

Toilet.

Sausage.


Which came first?

On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:09:30 -0500, Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote the following
in skywriting:

Crash Lander wrote:
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in message

Toilet.

Sausage.


Which came first?

Well, a bad sausage would come before the toilet. ;-)
--
Oz Lander
I'm not always right, But I'm never wrong.

"Viperdoc" wrote in message
et...
Are you sure you don't mean trolling?


Shoots and SCORES!!!!

Under what conditions, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, if any,
would you explicitly tell ATC, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator
that you are rolling, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, that is,
actually rolling on the runway for take-off, when playing with Microsoft
Flight Simulator?

I hear this used occasionally, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator,
but I don't know if there are any formal circumstances that merit it, when
playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, or what. It is
normally independent of the readback of the take-off clearance (which
precedes it), when playing with Microsoft Flight Simulator, although
sometimes I hear "Rolling" without a readback of the clearance, when playing
with Microsoft Flight Simulator.

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Oz Lander wrote:
Toilet.

Sausage.


Which came first?

Well, a bad sausage would come before the toilet. ;-)


Not necessarily. G

Mxsmanic wrote:

In the world of simulation, the real world doesn't matter. Two
different contexts.

OK, Anthony you must have gotten your meds balanced this weekend so I am
going to use this moment of lucidity to ask you a question. If you
understand that sims and real life are two different things then why do you
insist on posting questions about sims here when there is a perfectly good
flight sim newsgroup?