#1 Piston Fighter was British

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Many non combat aircraft get shot at. It is shooting back thay makes them
combat aircraft.


Paratroop laden transports could shoot back.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British

Many non combat aircraft get shot at. It is shooting back thay makes them
combat aircraft.


So a Mosquito bombing Berlin is not a combat aircraft but a
Ju-52 armed with couple of machine guns is !

How bizarre

Keith

Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British
From: Cub Driver
Date: 7/10/03 2:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Many non combat aircraft get shot at. It is shooting back thay makes them
combat aircraft.

Thank you, Art. Very succiently stated.

There is a great confusion here between what is dangerous and what is
combat, never mind what is a combat aircraft.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9


And of of course carrying a bombload is the equivalent of "shooting back".

Arthur Kramer
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http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British
From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 7/9/03 11:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British

Many non combat aircraft get shot at. It is shooting back thay makes them
combat aircraft.


So a Mosquito bombing Berlin is not a combat aircraft but a
Ju-52 armed with couple of machine guns is !

How bizarre

Keith

Not bizarre at all. Carrying a bombload is the same as "shooitng back" The
ability to harm the enemy is the active criteria.


Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

Carrying a bombload is the same as "shooitng back" The
ability to harm the enemy is the active criteria.

Nothing short of nuclear weapons harms the enemy
as much as troops on the ground. Are you under
the impression that D-Day is remembered because
of the interdiction missions flown? Most people
attribute its historical importance to the troops landed,
including those inserted by air.

Which brings us full-circle: The Ninth AF was led
into combat by a transport unit.

Many non combat aircraft get shot at. It is shooting back thay makes them
combat aircraft.

So a Mosquito B. IV is a non-combat aircraft, because it cannot shoot?

C-47 = non-combat?
but a miserably-armed Ju 52/3m = combat a/c?

I would think that if you sent an aircraft into combat, that its a combat a/c.
Differences of opinion, I guess.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."

"Gordon" wrote

I would think that if you sent an aircraft into combat,
that its a combat a/c.

That would seem to make sense, with the defining
words "sent into combat" (as compared to "happened
into combat accidentally.")

It's difficult to believe anyone would seriously consider
a C-47 (or whatever) on a mission to insert paratroops
in a combat zone not a "combat aircraft."

From the Air Force News Agency:

"On 6 Jun 44, [Captain Vito] Pedone and Lieutenant Colonel
Joel Crouch, led the tactical beginning for the liberation of
Europe. Their mission was to cross the enemy coast on the
west shore of the Cherbourg Peninsula, France at 0006 hours
on 6 Jun. At 0016 hours, their C-47 dropped 18 paratroopers
on Normandy beach."

Only "combat aircraft" fly tactical missions, IMO.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Not bizarre at all. Carrying a bombload is the same as "shooitng back" The
ability to harm the enemy is the active criteria.


Delivering armed paratroops fits that criterion.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Funny I saw no transports ahead of me that morning.


They must have been quite far in front then.

In message , ArtKramr
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From: (Harry Andreas)
I just watched the PBS show on D-day last night.
It showed fleets of DC-3s carrying paras over occupied France.
Each aircraft full of weapons and combat troops.
I don't know if that makes them combat aircraft, but if I
was in the left seat getting shot at, I'd probably think so.

Many non combat aircraft get shot at. It is shooting back thay makes them
combat aircraft.

A lot of British Dakotas had VGO machineguns in the windows - does that
make them combat aircraft?

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When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam