Visual coordination of turns revisited

Casey Wilson writes:

Quit making statements like the one above until you go out and DO
IT!!

I guarantee that I would have it down very quickly indeed. I know the types
of coordination tasks that I do well, and this is one of them. And I expect
that there are many people like me. It's an easy and natural task (natural in
the sense that what perception indicates is accurate with default
interpretations).

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Casey Wilson writes:

Quit making statements like the one above until you go out and DO
IT!!

I guarantee that I would have it down very quickly indeed. I know the
types
of coordination tasks that I do well, and this is one of them. And I
expect
that there are many people like me. It's an easy and natural task
(natural in
the sense that what perception indicates is accurate with default
interpretations).

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You have no idea how wrong you are. One 45-degree bank, climbing 540, and
your perceptions would be worthless in the real world. And would you please
define default interpretations.

Casey Wilson writes:

You have no idea how wrong you are.

You don't know me, and so you cannot know if I'm right or wrong.

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In rec.aviation.piloting Mxsmanic wrote:
Casey Wilson writes:

You have no idea how wrong you are.

You don't know me, and so you cannot know if I'm right or wrong.

He doesn't have to know you, to know that you are wrong. If he
has the experience, which you do not and he DOES, it is safe to say
that he knows what he's talking about.

BL.
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

He doesn't have to know you, to know that you are wrong.

Yes, he does. I'm a significant variable, with an unexpected value.

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I think the expression as to what would follow is "augered in".
There's nothing like 1.4 g's in aa climbing turn, followed by an
abrupt leveling off to make a novice's perception of coordinated
flight amusing.




On Feb 9, 10:50 pm, "Casey Wilson" wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

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Casey Wilson writes:

Quit making statements like the one above until you go out and DO
IT!!

I guarantee that I would have it down very quickly indeed. I know the
types
of coordination tasks that I do well, and this is one of them. And I
expect
that there are many people like me. It's an easy and natural task
(natural in
the sense that what perception indicates is accurate with default
interpretations).

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You have no idea how wrong you are. One 45-degree bank, climbing 540, and
your perceptions would be worthless in the real world. And would you please
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Real pilots of powered airplanes do refer to their instruments in VMC.

On Feb 7, 6:55 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Mark Levin writes:
Guess what. In VFR conditions real pilots make coordinated turns by feel.

I don't have that option in simulation, so I have to find some other way.

But of course in your world pilots should never rely on physical sensations
for anything so I don't know how you would do it.

I guess you'd be lost in IMC, eh?

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On Feb 10, 7:17 am, "Tony" wrote:
I think the expression as to what would follow is "augered in".
There's nothing like 1.4 g's in aa climbing turn, followed by an
abrupt leveling off to make a novice's perception of coordinated
flight amusing.

On Feb 9, 10:50 pm, "Casey Wilson" wrote:



"Mxsmanic" wrote in message

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Casey Wilson writes:
It just occured to me -- there is a group of real pilots here who do
maintain coordinated with outside reference only. Those glider guys
who tape a piece of yarn to the middle of their windscreen never have
to look at the ball, do they?


Quit making statements like the one above until you go out and DO
IT!!

I guarantee that I would have it down very quickly indeed. I know the
types
of coordination tasks that I do well, and this is one of them. And I
expect
that there are many people like me. It's an easy and natural task
(natural in
the sense that what perception indicates is accurate with default
interpretations).

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You have no idea how wrong you are. One 45-degree bank, climbing 540, and
your perceptions would be worthless in the real world. And would you please
define default interpretations.- Hide quoted text -

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I doubt one would do this, but a real Baron pilot could in fact fly
coordinated by outside reference only by taping a piece of yarn to the
middle of his windshield and flying such that it pointed straight up
along the windshield axis.


On Feb 7, 5:47 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
I'm still in a bit of a quandry as to how to learn to make coordinated turns
in a PC simulator that does not include a motion platform.

I've turned on the visual alignment indicator that MSFS provides, which is a
red "V" that sits squarely ahead in the visual field, effectively bolted to
the airframe. I've been trying to turn such that this V always moves along
the horizon at a constant speed for a given bank angle. Logically, a specific
bank angle in a coordinated turn will always produce a heading change at the
same speed. If the speed at which the horizon is moving varies, the turn is
not coordinated.

Also, it seems that in a coordinated, level turn, this V should stay at the
same distance above the horizon throughout the turn.

As I roll into a turn, the speed of movement of the V along the horizon should
increase in precise relationship to the bank angle. The opposite should occur
as I roll out of the turn, with the speed along the horizon slowing as I
return to level flight.

Any problems with this? The only remaining problem is to figure out _how_
fast the V should be moving for a given bank angle. Maybe that can come with
practice.

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It just occured to me -- there is a group of real pilots here who do
maintain coordinated with outside reference only. Those glider guys
who tape a piece of yarn to the middle of their windscreen never have
to look at the ball, do they?



They seem to spend so much of their time watching the ten other
gliders all turning in the same thermal and making sure they don't
bang into them that I doubt they'd want to be looking in the
cockpit!!!