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Old February 10th 07, 03:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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John T writes:

More to the point, the Vice President's entourage includes a plane to
transport his bulletproof limousine. Does anybody here really think the
Democrats would cease this practice if they win the White House in '08?


Governments never diminish spending. It doesn't matter which political party
is nominally in power. All politicians want more money and power, always.

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Old February 10th 07, 03:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
John T writes:

The Speaker is second in line to succeed the President and is entitled
to more security than most other public servants.


Why?

Because
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Old February 10th 07, 03:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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John Theune writes:

Because


Because why?

One of the advantages of a democracy is that nobody is indispensable, and if
someone high in the government is lost, the government continues to operate
normally. If this ceases to be true, you no longer have a democracy.

High-ranking officials often have heavy security because (1) they are cowards;
(2) it makes them seem more important; or (3) they like the special treatment
(essentially just a power play). Security teams often cannot prevent bad
things, anyway, and at the same time, the world will continue to turn if a
politician in a democracy is lost, no matter how nominally important he may
be.

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Old February 10th 07, 04:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
the VP has secret service protection. Some stupid congresscritter from
la-la land doesn't rate the same protection.


The Speaker of the House is next in the line of succession after the VP.


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Old February 10th 07, 04:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Paul Tomblin writes:

The Speaker of the House is next in the line of succession after the VP.


Almost everyone in Washington is in the line of succession at some point.
That doesn't mean that extraordinarily lengths are justified to protect them.
Nobody even knows what the Speaker of the House does; the chances of anything
happening to her are nil.

In the United States, the security risks to a public figure are in direct
proportion to the media coverage that would result if anything happened to
them. Would-be assassins choose their targets based on the media attention
they're likely to receive if they succeed in killing them, not based on the
actual function or real-world importance of the target. This is why Paris
Hilton would probably be a more tempting target than the governors of most
States. This is also why the Vice President is pretty much a non-target (to
say nothing of the Speaker of the House).

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Old February 10th 07, 04:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

the VP has secret service protection. Some stupid congresscritter from
la-la land doesn't rate the same protection.


The Speaker of the House is next in the line of succession after the VP.


and doesn't rate the same protection as the VP. Perhaps it would be
clearer if I said "doesn't rate the same amount of protection"

Note I didn't say the Speaker of the House doesn't rate ANY protection.

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Old February 10th 07, 04:49 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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John T wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message

Cheney's entourage includes a C-17 Globemaster


More to the point, the Vice President's entourage includes a plane to
transport his bulletproof limousine. Does anybody here really think the
Democrats would cease this practice if they win the White House in '08?


One more time....the party/elected official/whatever does NOT make
these decisions. They are made by the Secret Service, and for something
this relatively minor, no Pres or VP is going to argue with the Service.
Yes, it's relatively minor in the overall scheme of things.

You want Government waste? How about the fact that even ONE of the
cabinet-level organizations (let's take Agriculture) does NOT have
a single accounting/reporting method or system. You want a real
disaster? Go look at the DoD. Every service has its own financial
reporting system -- no wait -- every service has lots of different
financial reporting systems. There have been a few futile attempts
to standardize with no success and almost no cooperation.


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Old February 10th 07, 05:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In a previous article, Bob Noel said:
In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

the VP has secret service protection. Some stupid congresscritter from
la-la land doesn't rate the same protection.


The Speaker of the House is next in the line of succession after the VP.


and doesn't rate the same protection as the VP. Perhaps it would be
clearer if I said "doesn't rate the same amount of protection"


And doesn't get the same amount of protection, either. So what's your
problem?

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Old February 10th 07, 06:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article ,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

and doesn't rate the same protection as the VP. Perhaps it would be
clearer if I said "doesn't rate the same amount of protection"


And doesn't get the same amount of protection, either. So what's your
problem?


The point was in response to someone whining about the VP's protection

What's your problem?

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Old February 10th 07, 07:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:


There are a bunch of biz-jets that will fly coast-to-coast non-stop.
This doesn't require a 757 unless you want to carry a LOT of friends ...
oh, never mind!


not to mention a former first lady that wanted the VC-32 even for
short trips...


But imagine the gas they'll save, and that will reduce CO2.


 




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