An Open Apology to R.A.P.

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Dave Doe wrote:

In article s5xzh.614$hp4.248@trnddc02, says...

I sat in the shadows for a long time attempting to ignore the resident
troll, hoping against all odds that he would go away. When I could no longer
restrain myself, I started feeding the troll against my better judgement.
It is apparent that I have done nothing constructive in that regard and,
in my attempts, have probably offended a number of you whom I consider to be
excellent aviators, if not going as far as alienating some of you as well.
I earned my PP ASEL in 1975 and have never stopped learning. Along the
way, I have written more than a few aviation related articles published in
both regional and national magazines. I've made my bones and I've earned my
airman's title and the right to comment on matters of aviation - when I have
something to contribute or need your learned experience. It simply galls me
that someone like Mxsmanic can violate our treasured status day in and day
out and continue to survive, even thrive.

I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out what
kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my real
flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason alone, I am
going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is that Msxmanic will
undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having won.

With apologies and regrets,

Casey Wilson
PP ASEL
Freelance Writer
and Photographer

P.S. - Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT
qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.


Good bye.


and please follow him.

LOL - still here Matt - touchy touchy. People like Mxsmanic don't
bother me, if they did, I'd bozo bin them. I wouldn't get in a huff and
leave the group! LOL It's a sad, almost pathetic, reaction.

--
Duncan

Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
says...

Dave Doe wrote:


In article s5xzh.614$hp4.248@trnddc02, says...


I sat in the shadows for a long time attempting to ignore the resident
troll, hoping against all odds that he would go away. When I could no longer
restrain myself, I started feeding the troll against my better judgement.
It is apparent that I have done nothing constructive in that regard and,
in my attempts, have probably offended a number of you whom I consider to be
excellent aviators, if not going as far as alienating some of you as well.
I earned my PP ASEL in 1975 and have never stopped learning. Along the
way, I have written more than a few aviation related articles published in
both regional and national magazines. I've made my bones and I've earned my
airman's title and the right to comment on matters of aviation - when I have
something to contribute or need your learned experience. It simply galls me
that someone like Mxsmanic can violate our treasured status day in and day
out and continue to survive, even thrive.

I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out what
kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my real
flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason alone, I am
going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is that Msxmanic will
undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having won.

With apologies and regrets,

Casey Wilson
PP ASEL
Freelance Writer
and Photographer

P.S. - Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT
qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.


Good bye.


and please follow him.


LOL - still here Matt - touchy touchy. People like Mxsmanic don't
bother me, if they did, I'd bozo bin them. I wouldn't get in a huff and
leave the group! LOL It's a sad, almost pathetic, reaction.


Yes, almost as pathetic as your response to his response.

Much better to suggest a reasonably solution (kill filter) than to pile on.

Matt

On Feb 11, 1:26 pm, tony roberts wrote:
He sucks, I am sick of reading his stupid crap (more like trudging through it) and I don't
think you need to apologize for anything!!

His crap doesn't bother me.
The people who feed his crap are slightly irritating.
The people who defend his crap are more irritating.

The problems with this group are much more than one very talented troll
- and every long thread of his is testimony to just how talented he is
at his chosen "pastime"

Just wait for the pendulum to swing back - meanwhile, it's not the only
aviation group out there.

Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

Casey, I'm with you , Happy flying all, I'll use only the AOPA
forums from now on.I'm voting with my keyboard.

Stay Safe

Cheers, N

On Feb 10, 8:38 pm, "Casey Wilson" wrote:
I sat in the shadows for a long time attempting to ignore the resident
troll, hoping against all odds that he would go away. When I could no longer
restrain myself, I started feeding the troll against my better judgement.
It is apparent that I have done nothing constructive in that regard and,
in my attempts, have probably offended a number of you whom I consider to be
excellent aviators, if not going as far as alienating some of you as well.
I earned my PP ASEL in 1975 and have never stopped learning. Along the
way, I have written more than a few aviation related articles published in
both regional and national magazines. I've made my bones and I've earned my
airman's title and the right to comment on matters of aviation - when I have
something to contribute or need your learned experience. It simply galls me
that someone like Mxsmanic can violate our treasured status day in and day
out and continue to survive, even thrive.

I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out what
kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my real
flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason alone, I am
going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is that Msxmanic will
undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having won.

With apologies and regrets,

Casey Wilson
PP ASEL
Freelance Writer
and Photographer

P.S. - Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT
qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.

I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss. I don't even want to THINK of what kind of
monumental collective butthurt will arise from this group if even just
ONE real troll came here.

On Feb 11, 5:34 am, "d&tm" wrote:
"Casey Wilson" wrote in message

news:s5xzh.614$hp4.248@trnddc02...



I sat in the shadows for a long time attempting to ignore the resident
troll, hoping against all odds that he would go away. When I could no
longer
restrain myself, I started feeding the troll against my better judgement.
It is apparent that I have done nothing constructive in that regard
and,
in my attempts, have probably offended a number of you whom I consider to
be
excellent aviators, if not going as far as alienating some of you as
well.
I earned my PP ASEL in 1975 and have never stopped learning. Along the
way, I have written more than a few aviation related articles published in
both regional and national magazines. I've made my bones and I've earned
my
airman's title and the right to comment on matters of aviation - when I
have
something to contribute or need your learned experience. It simply galls
me
that someone like Mxsmanic can violate our treasured status day in and day
out and continue to survive, even thrive.

I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out what
kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my real
flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason alone, I am
going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is that Msxmanic
will
undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having won.

With apologies and regrets,

This is a sad attitude to take. I was beginning to think this whole anti
mxmanic is more about ego than anything else. The above post convinces me.
No one has to earn a right to comment on anything , especially on an
internet newsgroup. and as for "treasured status" that smacks of snobbery.
Is status really so important to you? is that why you fly? . Most people
that fly do so because they find it an incredibly rewarding experience. The
cost is such that most of us wouldnt be able to justify it if it wasnt. But
most of us ( I hope) realise that flying a light airplane is not that big a
deal if you are prepared to put in a lot of hardwork and money. Most
ordinary people could do it if they wished to ( at the risk of hurting your
ego I think most people dont care to ) . Maybe even mxmanic could, or
perhaps he is one of the minority who couldnt, it doesnt really matter.
What is abundantly clear is that mxmanic has an insatiable interest in
aviation, so why shouldnt he use this newsgroup? No one is obliged to answer
him. Nobody should accept blindly what he ( or you or me or anyone else )
says about flying. I dont know this guy at all but did you ever wonder
why somebody would spend most of their spare time on a computer simulating
flying or writing to this newsgroup?. What if you were to find he had a
debilitating illness, perhaps even a terminal one that prevented him leading
a normal life, or prevents him from actually flying a plane for real. .
Would you feel a bit different. a bit ashamed perhaps?

I like to lurk around the space groups and occaionally ask questions and
even dare to have the temerity to try to answer some of them. Should I
refrain from doing this because I am not an astronaut? or an astrophysicist?

terry
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Well stated. Beats hell out of me why anyone would get upset over
statements made by a stranger on a public forum. It's even more
presumptious of them to think that they are entitled to decide who can
or cannot make use of this means of communication...
So far as I am concerened, everything here is "For What It's Worth" -
and I am entitled to decide the merits thereof on a case-by-case
basis. Those that I don't like or that don't interest me, I just skip
over. What could be easier than that?

David Johnson

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Dave Doe wrote:
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Dave Doe wrote:


In article s5xzh.614$hp4.248@trnddc02, says...
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P.S. - Mxsmanic is NOT a pilot, has NEVER flown an aircraft and is NOT
qualified to
issue competent information regarding any aspect of the operation of any
aircraft.


Good bye.


and please follow him.


LOL - still here Matt - touchy touchy. People like Mxsmanic don't
bother me, if they did, I'd bozo bin them. I wouldn't get in a huff and
leave the group! LOL It's a sad, almost pathetic, reaction.


Yes, almost as pathetic as your response to his response.

I was hoping it might make him see some sense.

--
Duncan

On Feb 11, 3:25 pm, "Darkwing" theducksmailATyahoo.com wrote:
"Casey Wilson" wrote in message

Unfortunately Captain Jackass aka Msxmanic has basically ruined this
newsgroup which I have read and occasionally posted on for the last three
years.

That's giving Mxsmanic an awful lot of power. He may be a jerk, but
jerks exist in all areas of life and we must deal with them. I've yet
to hear of a suicide note that read "I met a jerk today. All is
lost. Goodbye."

Trudge on and if Mxsmanic pops up, hit delete. DON'T ANSWER HIM!

AJ

"Casey Wilson" wrote in
news:s5xzh.614$hp4.248@trnddc02:

I realized today that I have been recently scanning down through the
posts on R.A.P. not to learn something new, but instead to find out what
kind of spew the troll is serving up. I feel I owe the rest of my real
flying colleagues an apology. For that reason and that reason alone, I
am going to retire from the newsgroup. My biggest regret is that
Msxmanic will undoubtedly, in his maniacal way, gloat over having won.

Quite frankly, I think many of us who have been infuriated by Manix's
tactics have gone through this. As members-in-good-standing of this
community, I think we take more ownership than is due of the newsgroup. The
harsh reality is that pilot or not, he has as much right to express his
opinion about piloting on this newsgroup as we do - it's a public forum.
There's nothing we can do to stop him. It's akin to any or all of us
gathering up in peaceful protest outside his apartment in Paris with signs
saying that he doesn't know the first thing about tourism in Paris. It's
injurious and obnoxious for sure. But unfortunately, there's no real
recourse.

I suspect that after a short break you'll miss us and be back. Hopefully,
when you come back, you'll learn to deal with his antics. Personally, I've
gone through several iterations of it. At this point, I don't even have him
killfiled anymore.

I think the trick is not to go back and forth with him once he starts
using his "pick-a-point" tactic. Most of the discussions with him seem to
start off as typical debate, which we saw much of here even before his
arrival. When he starts quoting and disputing less-than-primary points of
an opponent's argument in order to prove the other person wrong or steer
the conversation to his utility, that's when I move on.

I don't think he's going to go away until he tires of the group. That time
will be up to him. But it shouldn't be too difficult to filter out what you
don't like on this group - not necessarily using technology, but just by
adjusting your own reading style...

"AJ" wrote

That's giving Mxsmanic an awful lot of power. He may be a jerk, but
jerks exist in all areas of life and we must deal with them. I've yet
to hear of a suicide note that read "I met a jerk today. All is
lost. Goodbye."

If you think that we do not have a lot of good people leaving because of
him, you are fooling yourself, and the joke is on you.

Participation here is not supposed to be a chore, and avoidance of the chore
is optional, unlike real life. When you have to work so hard to avoid the
jerk, it is far easier to just not participate.

This has been a superb lesson on the art of trolling. If any troll has ever
destroyed any group, (and they have) MX has the ability to do it. The sad
part, is that people who participate in any manner with replying to his
posts, are contributing. Everyone needs to stop replying, EVEN if it is to
correct him, or put him down.

Everyone.

It needs to stop, now.

Even the good guys, stop replying. It is time.
--
Jim in NC

Personally, I just ignore him like I would any other newsgroup troll.
It's pretty easily done. I've been around here for about 10 yrs. and
never considered leaving because of a troll. If they are ignored, they
go away quite quickly.

The problem is not with the troll. Judging from the stats, the r.a.
groups really like responding to his posts. What they get out of it is
beyond me, but the numbers don't lie. As long as he gets his feedback
fix (doesn't matter if it's positive or negative), he'll be with us for
the forseeable future. Nothing wrong with that either, if that's what
the group wants. It doesn't really affect me one way or the other
since I skip his posts and usually most of the ones that respond to
him.

BTW- for you folks that post complaints about him, you might as well
be laying out a welcome mat.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


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JGalban
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