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Dylan Smith writes:
A bit like Switzerland (4 languages) hasn't, then? Unfortunately, the peace and calm of Switzerland for much of its history is atypical for countries with multiple "official" or important languages. Belgium, Yugoslavia, and Canada are much more representative of the kinds of problems that arise. Sometimes it's just a constant undercurrent of friction and resentment, sometimes it's violence. And it always costs a lot of money and handicaps economic growth. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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mad8 writes:
the citizenship test doesn't require being able to speak english. you can take it in your own language if you pay/provide a translator. In the United States, perhaps. In many countries, a test of competency in the national language is _part_ of the citizenship test. If you don't speak the language, you don't get citizenship, period. (all this i know from being surrounded by Russians who just recently came here and don't speak enough english to be useful) They don't speak enough English to be useful, but they want to be citizens? Hmm. If they are too lazy or stupid to learn English, how do they plan to support themselves? Or do they expect the state to do that? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Bob Fry wrote:
"JH" == Jay Honeck writes: JH This thread is about foreign language weather websites being JH paid for with US taxpayer dollars. No, Jay, this thread is about your bigotry and small-mindedness which raises up every few weeks. If you cared about government waste you'd be raising hell about the incredible waste going on in Iraq, courtesy of neocons like yourself. Or do you still think that democracy is going to flower in that miserable place? Fry - you are so far out that you are actually in a tangential universe. Kinda funny, actually, us posters giving you--a history major--the most basic lessons in history. You guys (folks with your mentality) will soon be totally back in power so it will be a real education to see what fantastic 'leadership' occurs. |
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On Feb 14, 10:46 am, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Hamish (for whom American English is definitely foreign :-)) So, let me get this straight: You're saying that Spanish is *not* a foreign language in the United States, simply because a large portion of people here are originally from Spanish-speaking countries? By that definition, German is not a foreign language in Iowa and Wisconsin. Neither is Italian. Or Irish. Or have you come up with some intellectually gymnastic limitation on your theory, like "it's only not a foreign language if the speakers have not been here more than 'x' generations..."? Honestly, you guys are hilarious! -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" and russian is still a foreign language in parts of NYC, Philly, Chicago, etc. (you may get more done in brooklyn speaking russian than english, but nobody is trying to have everything in russian...) |
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A bit like Switzerland (4 languages) hasn't, then?
The Swiss have always been the exception to the rule, in that regard. Just don't ask them about their finances during the Nazi era. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Ol Shy & Bashful writes:
Times are changing my friend. I am one of the most adamant in the USA regarding the use of english as our language but I fear I am ****ing in the wind. In most of the foreign countries I worked in, I had to learn at least a modicum of the language to survive. It is indeed unfortunate that our education system, and by extension, most Americans, never learn a foreign language well enough to carry on a simple conversation in anything but english. It's much more unfortunate that immigrants and natives never bother to learn English to begin with, and then the state panders to them to maintain them as parasites on society, instead of useful contributors. I guess it beats being in arabic......or Finnish? ggg How many foreign languages are public documents printed in in Saudi Arabia? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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On Feb 14, 10:55 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Dylan Smith writes: A bit like Switzerland (4 languages) hasn't, then? Unfortunately, the peace and calm of Switzerland for much of its history is atypical for countries with multiple "official" or important languages. Belgium, Yugoslavia, and Canada are much more representative of the kinds of problems that arise. Sometimes it's just a constant undercurrent of friction and resentment, sometimes it's violence. And it always costs a lot of money and handicaps economic growth. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. I believe India has 300some languages... |
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Well, not really. I think they have always spoken Spanish in Puerto Rico. New
Mexico had a bilingual law in their original constitution. Come on, Jay. This is KKK stuff you're spouting. And I know you don't believe in that. Is this some new variation on the "Hitler Rule"? Once you start accusing someone of belonging to the KKK, the opportunity for intelligent discussion is over. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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![]() "Jose" wrote Um, sorry to burst your bubble, Jose, but Spanish is a foreign language in the United States. Um, sorry to burst your bubble, Jay, but Spanish is not a foreign language in the United States. Foreign: Of, characteristic of, or from a place or country other than the one being considered. Since neither English nor Spanish originated in the US, both could technically be called foreign. That said, since 82% of the US population speak English, you could argue that English is "characteristic of" the USA, and therefore, not foreign. However, since only 12% of the population speak Spanish you couldn't really say that it is "characteristic of" the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languag..._United_States BDS |
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The US is in no danger of losing english as the primary language. We'll
all look up one day and forget what all the concern was about. I truly hope you're right, Bill. In the meantime, I guess we can stop worrying about the National Weather Service's budget, as they are clearly flush with money. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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